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PostPosted: June 3rd, 2010, 8:48 pm 
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I finished my first book last October, and I still can't seem to find a solid idea for a Christian speculative fiction novel that doesn't preach or become too predictable by being grounded in biblical parameters. Please help!

I abandoned my Oluve idea in favor of returning to an old idea where a psychiatrist comes up with a drug to cure PTSD that also cures many other mood disorders and addictions, but the downfall is that this psychiatrist unknowingly has released a mind control drug that his assistant will manipulate to create an army of fearless warriors.

I liked this idea because it wasn't about salvation of souls, but while developing the world, I couldn't avoid when the Savior would return.

(from here down no longer exists as my current idea, skip to my next post - 8/10/10)


So, I created a world/universe where a king owns the planet Ixia. On this planet, Lynl is the psychiatrist. The king has an Armada, which he employs as guardians and law enforcers of planets he owns. The enemy of the Armada is the Horde (is Horde too common for bad guys?).

Turon is an Armadan officer, someone who enforces the law. He discovers a Horde agent has snuck onto Ixia and tracks this agent, Versar, to Lynl's rapidly growing empire as the director of failed experiments (needs new name, but you get the point ;). These failed experiments are patients who did not respond well to treatment and have exibited ferocious side-effects.

Versar's goal is to find out how they came to be, and then turn large portions of the population into these monsters and take over this world en route to the galatical battle against the King.

Turon must find a way to get Lynl and enough information out of the facility before they are captured, and escape to a place where they can find a way to stop Versar before it is too late.

What do you think?

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 Post subject: Re: Premise: Christian Sci-Fi Book
PostPosted: June 8th, 2010, 10:40 am 
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Sounds interesting!

(Too bad about Oluve - I thought it had definite potential from what I could see.)



On the note of premises for Christian spec fiction, I've found that the best way of finding them is to ask what if and what would this character do-- particularly in the direction of hypothetical moral dilemmas.

For example, in your premise, you have the HMD of 'what should be done with these crazy people 'cause they're still human?' which could be a major subplot and quite interesting layered on top of the grand epic problem (bad guys wanting to take over the world).

(Other quick examples would be Star Wars - 'what would you do if you found out that the man who you hate because he's an evil bad guy and supposedly killed your father...really was your father', Lord of the Rings - 'what would you do if a magic Ring came into your hands that ought to be destroyed', and I have heard that Star Trek deals with what-ifs and HMDs a lot, but I haven't watched anything Star Trek, just heard about it. :))

Don't know if that helps you any. :) The subject of premises intrigues me a lot. ;)

(...story structure is my friend! ;D)

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 Post subject: Re: Premise: Christian Sci-Fi Book
PostPosted: June 14th, 2010, 3:54 pm 
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Thank you for your reply, and wow 26 views, though not all from you Melody, I'm sure. You make good points about how a Christian genre novel can be about decisions and not necessarily allegory. I'll try that, since my allegories always fail in the end.

Anyone else that views my threads, please leave a comment, however short, so I can return the favor and read/comment on your stuff.

Sir Emeth made a good point about a king that is like God, but isn't God. I think what I'll do is just have him be someone who seeks to honor God and promote godliness across the universe through his Arkhun (instead of Armada, sounds too Spanish, no offense to any Spaniards).

I'll open up this idea on the forums in more detail under the title Ixia, for the country on this planet that it takes place.

Also, I assume no one minds if I bring science fiction into our "fantasy" website ;)

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PostPosted: June 14th, 2010, 7:06 pm 
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Timotheus wrote:
Also, I assume no one minds if I bring science fiction into our "fantasy" website ;)


Science fiction is an extension of fantasy. Besides, it doesn't sound like your story happens in our universe. That's fantastic enough for me, in itself.

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 Post subject: Re: Premise: Christian Sci-Fi Book
PostPosted: August 2nd, 2010, 3:35 pm 
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I just created elevator statements for my first four WIPs. The first one: "A young atheist begins a journey that will revolutionize his views on life’s origins, death, and the meaning of existence."
The journey takes him into another world and through a long war. Richard, the Atheist, ends up either experiencing the various values, learning the lessons, or else seeing the effects in the lives of others through the story. Thus... the story is in a way slightly allegorical, but when you're reading through the book you really can't tell because of the other stuff. It's all just smattered throughout it.

Uhm... Horde is very common. Very common. There are several stories that some of my friends have written in which "The Horde" were the ever overflowing in number evil forces.

What do I think. Hmm... *contemplating* It sounds like a simple plot-line. Nothing bad with those. Very condenseable, I believe. If you really want to get a Christian influence in it... *ponders* I'll just spill one of my techniques. I had a character who was pursuing an evil person who had kidnapped the character's adopted son. The Main Character ends up with a companion who knows of Nebuthos's (God's) existence who becomes a 'spiritual mentor'. He just starts helping to tone down the anger that starts to drive the Main Character, addressing issues that I see in today's culture. So... that's one thing I did.
Here's an idea: What if Versar did something in the past that hurt Turon somehow? Now, in the present, he seems to be succeeding in his goal, but is then discovered and captured by someone other than Turon? At that point, Versar is doomed. You could then have Turon find out about it, and he manages to get Versar out of the tight spot. That's something you could probably use.

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 Post subject: Re: Premise: Christian Sci-Fi Book
PostPosted: August 2nd, 2010, 9:17 pm 
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Thanks Melody, Neil, and Ordonel for your comments. Much appreciated.

I'm sorry I haven't been posting much on HW to update how this story is progressing - even though it keeps coming back to the beginning, exploring this idea through different means is still progress.

I'm not sure what the best format is for charting my "progress." I can post a new thread every few weeks when my story changes, but that seems like it would just be confusing. My goal for tomorrow is to write out my main idea for this story, and then the different versions that I have come up with to tell this idea.

Also forgive me for not checking out your stories. I don't mean to be selfish, but this continual problem with stories falling apart after new elements are introduced is consuming me. I have been learning of late that in God's time, my story will or will not be written, but I still feel urgency to get this figured out. Thank you all for your participation and helpfulness in this, it will not be forgotten.

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It sounds really exciting, especially if it turns into a James Bondish story where he has to sneak through the enemy base with plenty of gunfights and explosions.
Adding Christian elements makes things a little tricky, you might want to display Christian values and beliefs through the actions of the character.

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Sounds great...I'd definitely read it. :) But then, you already knew that... :D

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PostPosted: August 10th, 2010, 9:26 pm 
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Here's my notes for today. First read my post "Taking Solus: worldbuilding tech questions" http://bit.ly/bwwfNL I may have just tonight created a background IV (see shared HW folder on google docs for the backgrounds file) mentioned at the very bottom as within the first 200 years of them landing on this planet.

Vil Kaestin – Protagonist
(using background III )

History: Took job in capital of Noagol working for Eserr Bek to stop pandemic virus unleashed by the Arakun, but spread to Noagol. His genetic therapy in producing an antivirus was crucial to the cure, but Eserr took all the credit. When Vil threatened to go public, Eserr framed him for charges of participating in a gay prostitution ring (chose this to reveal the religious nature of their gov’t). Vil was arrested, but after a few years in prison he escaped and made it to the canyons of Deeke.
While in prison he was given a job genetic research, because the Arakun gov’t wanted the info for their own development of cures to other viruses and diseases. He developed a code and secretly worked on his DNA robot technology, by using a program that sent false information to the server they monitored and storing his real information in another location. He implanted DNA robots into his system that would make his body immune to the radiation, and when he completed his research he escaped. They did not guard the direction north because no one could survive going that way.
He brought with him a laptop, food, his programs, syringes, hiking equipment he had smuggled in and a map to an outpost in the mountain valley satellites show was not completely destroyed.

His Goal: To set up a research station at that outpost and heal the people living underground from their mutations as well as making them immune to the radiation. Then, with those people’s complete support, he will train them for war. He appoints a successor to take over his work and then leaves to offer his DNA robots to the Lovarans to better their society and build them up after the last war. His real plan is to spread his technology across all their branches of government, but this is taking too long because of their lack of energy. He begins building solar panel stations, but the process is struggling without much funding. Every time the Lovarans make a step forward in rebuilding, something happens that erases their growth – be it espionage or outright attack.

Then he hears of Darin Enteel. Darin is the CEO of CamFlight, an aeronautic breakthrough that uses Camil to fuel flying cars called fliers. (may need work on name ;) An Arakun attack on Darin’s Camil fields led him to search for new ground. In doing so he came across a mineral in the soil they identified as native to their moon. He stores the Hiicam (Camil grown in this soil with the H-11 element – 11 because it is the power of Camil to the eleventh power) and makes a circuit to private investors, after the gov’t refuses support, in an effort to fund building a space shuttle capable of starting Hiicam fields on the moon.

From here I could go two directions: one, Vil offers not only money, but help making the rocket in return for joining him on the moon to set up his solar power stations; two, Vil offers help making rocket, but sends secret agents to set up solar panels on the moon while he continues his work with DNA robots in Xia.

Is Vil’s goal to make slaves out of the Lovarans and destroy the Arakuns? How many people live in the Dife caves? A few thousand tops? How could they rise to power when the Lovarans outnumber them even if Vil does convince the Lovarans to use his weapons against the Arakun? Maybe Vil plans to recruit people from Lovaran nations who are equally fed up with this religious war. The most recent war has likely left areas in shambles and Vil may prey on them with his philosophy of removing religion from government.

History of Deeke: The Arakun have left this mountain region alone. In the latest war they destroyed the major outposts of the Lovarans and dropped enough bombs to make this place a radioactive wasteland. Very few people survived, and the Lovarans retreated North. Those who survived in caves have developed a hatred for Ara and all outsiders – Arakun for bombing them and the Lovarans for abandoning them.

So where does the story start if I incorporate these ideas?

I could go with the five chapters I wrote, where Darin is one day away from launch. He is either knowingly or not working with Vil on the plan to form a colony on the moon. The options here are still whether or not I want him to know about Vil or find out after he’s past the point of no return in the air. He could know about Vil, but not what his true intentions are, or he could just have an anonymous donor help fund his launch and materials.

The reason why I wouldn’t start with Vil getting arrested is because of how much time it takes for him in jail to research and the fact that he is not my protagonist. I see that as background info about him.

Again, another day has brought another drastic twist. One thing majorly different is an established nL Co. to have Darin’s son and wife treated with DNA robots. I suppose I could have that if Vil sought out Lynl and used his tech combined with Lynl’s knowledge of the brain and genetics.

One thing that would have to be changed is the map. The Arakun continent, Noagol, in the original map is across the sea from Ixia, where the prison was built. But that was before there was a split in the council. The original map had 12 colonies all under the Law of Ara and governed by the Council of 12.

This new map stemmed from analyzing the difference between the two major powers: Lovaran and Arakun. The Arakun are led by their prophet and his addition to Scripture. Those who did not follow him from the Council formed an alliance of nations called the Lovaran. In the midst of the Arakun trying to kill those who disagree with them, the Lovaran try to win people over to Ara through love. They kill only when absolutely necessary, and have developed a more sedative-based weapon system. The lax attitude towards a forced religion within the government has led many of the Lovaran nations apart ideologically as it relates to each nation’s set of circumstances. I’m not sure exactly what I mean by this, but I’m trying to create individual nations instead of a world with only two view points.

I don’t know how long they have been on this planet (Kitane). I recently put 900 years. I’m trying to give it enough time to allow each nation to develop technologically so that I can use this world for my DNA robot technology. I don’t know how a war could go on and off for 900 years. In our world, wars were short because people didn’t like spending their whole lives in a war. So, in my effort to be realistic, I figure wars will go on and off and territories will change sides.

Somehow, I’m seeing the Arakun on top with the Lovaran holding them back, but struggling to rebuild being on the defensive like they are. I don’t know how this would work in a high tech world. The Cold War showed us that threatening with full force led to a standstill. But that was between nations far apart/separated by an ocean. What if this world had more of a European/Northern Africa kind of division – most countries are close, with seas and rivers dividing them. There may be a few continents cut off the east and west ends, but most of the land is centralized. In our world, a young Earth theory proposes the Flood as the cause for the vast distances between the lands.

What if, over time, less people believed in Ara because of how the Arakun make Him out to be a murderous God who only loves certain people? The Lovaran are now only a small section of the population. I could have many nations who don’t believe in Ara – some support the Arakun because of how the Arakun are more interested in wiping out the Lovaran than them, while others sympathize for the Lovaran and have offered support, and then some who want to remain neutral though have defenses in case the Arakun try to invade.

In conjunction with my post on worldbuilding tech questions, if they arrived as a group of 200 hundred within the ship, it is possible that they all had varying aspects of faith in the one accepted religion. As they spread, they may feel more free to express their differences, or even the fact that they were merely living out the faith of their parents and will wish to explore the pleasures of the flesh. This could allow for more of a diverse religious climate among the nations, instead of only two sides fighting each other.

Also, I am seriously considering starting this book closer to the beginning stages of colonization, like the second century, while areas are still being built, and a major war has yet to take place, but is on the horizon.

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PostPosted: August 10th, 2010, 9:48 pm 
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Just read through 1 Timothy and in chap. 4:1 it says "in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons". Well, what if my ship of 200 only has a few believers on it. The Arakun are in the midst of a galatic battle with the Osuna, the murderers of the Son of Ara. The Arakun have become linked by the barest of common beliefs in order to fight for survival, which means many may not "be saved" just because they fight for the Arakun.

As a result, when they land on this planet, their true colors are revealed when their common enemy is gone and they have only each other to fight with for survival. Cults and sacramentalists could arise easily and quickly, as well as the aforementioned self-proclaimed prophet. The Lovaran in the above post are the true believers who will try to become good witnesses in a world that is quickly turning against God.

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I'm getting the ideas of your book better now, Tim. :) After reading all your posts, and the thing on Google Docs, I think I get it. Unfortunately, I don't get it enough to offer you any suggestions, but it looks like what you've got is pretty good. In my mind the most confusing part was the 900 some years between when they landed and when all this happens. But that's the other thread. :)

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I'm starting a short story to help give me an idea of the background behind this galatic battle between the Osuna and the Arakun. You can find part one's first draft here: http://bit.ly/aoRDaP

Please read that before reading these notes.

Here are some notes I typed today:

Brains from Arakun are the batteries for the Osuna war machines. The Osuna don’t want to die to fuel their own war machines, so they built machines that unfortunately cannot be powered by Osuna brains, either because of the strain their technology places on their brains or because of a drug they require to survive within that advanced tech society’s machines.

The Osuna are hunting the Arakun but the Arakun don’t know why. The Osuna are really a lazy society that is programming machines to do all the work for them, including hunting the Arakun.

Griston (char. in short story) knew why and the location of the base of operations (something makes it special, like atmosphere suitable for removing brains), but his mind was wiped before they rescued him.

An Osuna sneaks on their ship and on Kitane forms tribe. He builds in secret because he wants the Arakun to grow within the controlled environment he needs to create an unlimited continuous supply of Arakun brains. He could even have offspring over the centuries that continue his work in case he dies (will he have a shorter life span because of Osuna tech?). One offspring could be Versar, who pretends to offer healing through DNA robots, but really is just increasing efficiency of human brains through DNA robots working on neural networks within the brains of his subjects.

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