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 Post subject: Giving & Taking Advice
PostPosted: July 25th, 2011, 8:19 am 
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I've decided to rant today. Upon receiving a critique, I decided to write a rant about critiquing and receiving critiques. So, let's start.

I'm not entirely sure where I read this, but one of the main things about being a starting writer is the way somebody "gives you advice". It can crush your spirit or make you a better writer. It's up to the person giving you advice to be kind about their advice and up to you to take it seriously, but also not to be too touchy (because everybody makes mistakes in their writings...yes, even C.S.Lewis, people.).

Giving The Advice:
Writers who are just starting out are easily put down. If you're a famous published author (like Ted Dekker, C.S.Lewis, and whoever Bryan Davis is) you'll end up with a bad book review at one point or another (probably one that could care less about hurting your little author feelings) and that is part of being published...and famous. You get the good and you get the bad (then there's the sort of good and sort of bad, but that's beside the point) and, eventually, you learn to put up with it. Like when you're learning to play guitar and your fingers hurt at first, but soon they grow tougher and they don't hurt anymore?

Young writers are like beginning guitarists (myself included). They're just starting out, trying to make it to becoming a great author, but they need advice...advice and encouragement. Honestly, sometimes it's hard to combine the two. Usually you'll say, "That was great! But. . ." *horror movie scream* The dreaded "but"! It's the worst word in the world...whoever invented it is a cruel, cruel person. *cough* I mean, yeah, that's how we critique a young writer, right?...yeaaah.

No. Ehh. Wrong. Not right. Start over. Think again. Rewrite. Try again. Redo it. Typo there. Got a smudge on my computer screen...Wait! That was your writing.

Hehe, okay, I think you get it.

Well, obviously, we don't say those things (mainly because they're cruel, mean, and false.), but sometimes it's hard not to sound like that. Sometimes, we start with a "That's great!" and end with a "So...those are the main things I think need improvement..." and somewhere along the lines the little, budding author with an ocean-sized fountain of genius new ideas may decide that writing isn't worth their time if they are going to get so many things wrong.

Poor little, budding writer...here. You get a pie. *hands you pie*

Not to say the critiquer is to blame either. I mean, you guys are great! We can't get better at our writing if somebody doesn't get the backbone to tell us what we did wrong! The problem might not be from the information you present, but how you present it. There were times when somebody would give me advice and I would take it to heart, think about it, dwell on it, decide they were right, and honestly, truly, from the bottom of my heart be thankful for their wonderful gift of "Hey, by the way, you did this wrong."

Other times, though, the person would present the information in a way that immediately turns me into shut down mode (Shut down mode: I'm nodding my head and say "Uh-huh". Until you stop talking, in which case, I will turn on my eardrums again and return to hearing the world around me.)

This may include when the advice is presented in a very "This my advice I'm giving you, you are going to take it, and you are going to like it!" (*cough* Hurt my vocal chords there...) or a "Yah, yah, it was great, so the things you got wrong were..." or (Ohh...this is my personal favorite.) "Oh, it was awesome! I mean...never as good as anything I've ever read, but you know...for a thirteen year old. You write like an...eight year old." kind of way.

Obviously, the person isn't really saying these things...but the way in which they present their advice (tone of voice, sentence structure, facial expressions, body language, etc.) shows it. Sometimes they don't mean to, sometimes they do, other times it's just the only way they know how to give advice. Either way, it can be a very quick and easy way to dry up the ocean of new writer ideas.

But don't worry, I'm not going to tell you this without giving you an alternate way of saying things.

So a few good rules to go by are:
-Tell them what's wrong, but don't forget to tell them what's right before and after.
-Don't be angry when the writer decides not to take your advice (or the really bold writer who might actually decide to tell you why they aren't taking your advice) that's half the fun of being a writer, originality, originality, originality.
-Always come as a friend. It's easy to be intimidated when a person comes with a very huffed up "I've been writing for longer than you" attitude. Sometimes that in itself can make the young writer bow their head in the presence of such an amazing competitor.
-And always, under any circumstances, forever and no matter what, for the love of my allegorical God-like being, TELL US WHAT WE DID WRONG! We love hugs and compliments, but we also love improvement and cherish it when given correctly. Never hold back your opinion, it is always important and never forgotten.

Go by these rules and you should have a pretty fool proof critique.

How To Take Advice:
So, young, budding writer you are. You pick up a pen and pencil and begin to scribble down your first truly developed storyline. You write faster than you've ever seen anyone write. Proof-read, edit, revise, and spell check. Then it's finished, your first story, and it's perfect, in your eyes. (Which is great, an artist must take joy in their work if nothing else.) Excitedly you rush to your closest family-member/friend/mentor/pastor/Internet-forum/twitter/Facebook/buzz/social-networking-site/pet-dog and show them your completed masterpiece. Your joyful scribbles. Your painting with words. Your genius at its best. Your-what's that you say? They didn't like the ending? That's crazy! The ending was the best part! And the worst thing? Your dog just said "woof"?The nerve!

Yes, indeed, it has happened. (as it was bound to the minute you took your precious work out of its safely hidden place in the dark corner of your documents folder labeled "Computer" so your non-techy parents won't accidentally click on it) You have received your first critique. But don't panic, every author is critiqued, reviewed, and told to try again. It's the circle...of writing. (Circle goes something like; "Write, revise, critique, redo...etc". Until you're published then it's "Write, revise, critique, redo...Published! *girly squeal*")

So, take a deep breath, open your eyes, stop hyperventilating, (hyperventilation never solved anything but except wasting some very important oxygen.) then look your critiquer in the eye (whether it be animal, computer screen, parent, friend, or foe.) say "thank you" then curtsy or bow (depending on your gender) and take their words to heart.

I know, people can be cruel. Some critiques aren't given in the best spirit, but we can learn from even the most downright heart-breaking critiques (trust me even though you don't know me). So just go somewhere quiet (preferably a bedroom or strangely large wardrobe that may or may not lead into a magical world) and think about said given critique.

Nasty comments? Forget 'em. Wonderful complements? Push them aside for now (you can bask in their awesomeness later). Awkward tone of voice that makes you wonder if they really mean what they say? Make 'em sound like a chipmunk and laugh at their funny squeaky voice. Take away everything until you have constructive advice given in a nice manner.

Now take the advice and think about it. Sometimes it's necessary to take the advice like "Always put a comma before a 'but'." so you have to take that advice (you can also forget those for now, seeing as you can go back and fix those things later. No pondering needed).

Other times it's opinionated advice like, "I think Bob was out of character here." or "Sometimes I wondered were this scene was going...it seemed to drag just the tiniest bit.". This is what we want. The heart and solid gold of all critiques. Opinions.

It's what we writers need (even if they are given in bad attitude) because they give us just the smallest glimpse into the mind of our reader. Take this advice to heart... then... decide whether or not you want to use it.

Don't worry if the person may or may not be upset you didn't take their advice. Just do what you think is best. In the end, all the critiques in the world could not (and really should not) change the stubborn insistence of the way a writer writes.

So, always remember. Critiquers: be friendly and writers: be open-minded. Then you should make a great team.

That would be my rant and a half! Now, go enjoy your pie and hopefully remember my advice next time you're faced with one of these situations. Thanks for reading!

Bethany Faith


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 Post subject: Re: Giving & Taking Advice
PostPosted: July 25th, 2011, 10:04 am 
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I think you should put a little introductory sentence to the beginning. That would make it flow smoother.

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You get the good and you get the bad (then there's the sort of good and sort of bad, but that's beside the point.)


I don't see the need for a period after 'point' in parentheses.

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Young writers are beginning guitarists (myself included).


I believe it would sound better as 'Young writers are like beginning guitarists (like myself).'

I did like your conversational writing. It made it seem like a light topic, but full with valuable information.

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PostPosted: July 25th, 2011, 10:32 am 
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I believe it would sound better, Elly, as 'Young writers are like beginning guitarists (myself included).' So then there's not two likes in the same sentence. :)

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PostPosted: July 25th, 2011, 11:31 am 
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Yes, that does sound better. :) I was just giving an example.

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PostPosted: July 25th, 2011, 1:34 pm 
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I like it! I like the casual feel of it; makes such a long post more bearable to read. ;)

One thing...in some places you lose me with the parentheses... (If you know me long enough, you'll find out that I hate Parentheses. They're just so annoying (and confusing)...)

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I need to closely read this article... I wrote one on the exact same subject. (the one that got dropped of this schedule.) I wonder if we address the same subject the same way or not... (if we do I'll just forget all about that article and be glad it didn't get scheduled, because two identical articles scheduled next to each other, wouldn't that be terrible?)

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PostPosted: July 29th, 2011, 12:01 am 
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All right, Miss Bethy, this is ready to post.

@Katie: Recheck the article, Katie. It may be that you address this subject differently, in which case, we would still love the article.

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Okay, Miss Airi. * rushes off to go PM Philly *


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*feels so bad about Katie's article* :'( Put Leah in detention for that one. We'll discuss it when you come back, okay, Katie? Though I'm going to hazard a guess that your article isn't written in a style that's even REMOTELY like Bethy's, Katie. ;)

Bethy's article is up. :)

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Thanks, girls. :D

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Ideas can germinate from the smallest seeds. Collect those seeds, and let them grow in the back of your mind. You may be surprised by what finally blooms.

When God takes something from your grasp, he's not punishing you. Instead, He’s opening your hands to receive something better. The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you.

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