Predestination?

Lady Ness · **Joined:** May 19th, 2011, 11:30 am **Posts:** 241

The Sunday school class that me and my family are going to, is covering Predestination, and I wanted to know, before I share my opinion on it, What is yours?

RunningWolf · **Posted:** April 16th, 2012, 3:50 pm

I'm (hopefully) not going to get sucked into any debate, but I believe in it, it just doesn't make sense any other way to me.

Lady Ness · **Joined:** May 19th, 2011, 11:30 am **Posts:** 241

Yes!!

Captain Nemo Marlene · **Joined:** May 1st, 2011, 5:08 pm **Posts:** 1808

Moderator's note: This thread has been moved to General Discussions. Carry on!

SeyatassDragonDaughter · **Joined:** July 26th, 2011, 2:32 pm **Posts:** 279

I totally believe in it. Most definitely.

RunningWolf · **Posted:** April 16th, 2012, 5:13 pm

Lady Ness Mimetes wrote:

Yes!!

Lady Elanor · **Posted:** April 16th, 2012, 5:19 pm

*Smiles* You know I disagree with you on this, Nessie.

But I won't discuss it, sorry. It too often turns into a debate, and we don't allow those here; so I try to stay away from conversations about this subject.

Sam Starrett · **Posted:** April 16th, 2012, 7:09 pm

I'm a compatibilist. I believe in free will and predestination, not in a balance or compromise between the two, but rather full free will and full predestination, under my definition of "free will" (which obviously is not the same as that of those who disagree). An analogy I often use is an author and his characters. Did Tolkien decide that Frodo would go to Mt. Doom or did Frodo decide to go to Mt. Doom? Well, they both did. It's not a compromise between the two positions, as if the decision belonged half to Tolkien and half to Frodo; no, the decision belongs fully to both Tolkien and Frodo.

This sort of seemingly unmathematical logic is not uncommon in Christian theology, by the way; cf. Trinity, hypostatic union.

RunningWolf · **Posted:** April 16th, 2012, 7:25 pm

Samstarrett wrote:

I'm a compatibilist. I believe in free will and predestination, not in a balance or compromise between the two, but rather full free will and full predestination, under my definition of "free will" (which obviously is not the same as that of those who disagree). An analogy I often use is an author and his characters. Did Tolkien decide that Frodo would go to Mt. Doom or did Frodo decide to go to Mt. Doom? Well, they both did. It's not a compromise between the two positions, as if the decision belonged half to Tolkien and half to Frodo; no, the decision belongs fully to both Tolkien and Frodo.

This sort of seemingly unmathematical logic is not uncommon in Christian theology, by the way; cf. Trinity, hypostatic union.

I agree and have thought of that same analogy.

J. Grace Pennington · **Joined:** July 19th, 2011, 2:35 pm **Posts:** 1988

Lycanis Mimetes wrote:

I'm (hopefully) not going to get sucked into any debate, but I believe in it, it just doesn't make sense any other way to me.

*agrees with Wolf*

Ophelia MirZA Mimetes · **Posted:** April 16th, 2012, 8:48 pm

Lady Amaris Mimetes wrote:

Lycanis Mimetes wrote:

I'm (hopefully) not going to get sucked into any debate, but I believe in it, it just doesn't make sense any other way to me.

*agrees with Wolf*

*Agrees with Ani and Wolf*

Seer of Endor · **Joined:** February 16th, 2010, 10:36 pm **Posts:** 2603

First off, I'm very proud of you all for handling this maturely and not plunging into a debate. But Jay has asked in the past that Calvinism type discussions be kept out of the forums. I have to agree with him because these conversations can very easily turn into ugly things. So, in honor of his wishes, I'm locking this thread and will have the mods archive it in a couple of days.

Feel free to continue this in pm, though.

And again, reading how yall conducted yourselves throughout this made me a proud little Council Member. *glows*

RunningWolf · **Posted:** April 16th, 2012, 11:20 pm

Mimetes the Seer wrote:

First off, I'm very proud of you all for handling this maturely and not plunging into a debate. But Jay has asked in the past that Calvinism type discussions be kept out of the forums. I have to agree with him because these conversations can very easily turn into ugly things. So, in honor of his wishes, I'm locking this thread and will have the mods archive it in a couple of days.

Feel free to continue this in pm, though.

And again, reading how yall conducted yourselves throughout this made me a proud little Council Member. *glows*

I wish I'd known this a long time ago...

SeyatassDragonDaughter · **Joined:** July 26th, 2011, 2:32 pm **Posts:** 279

Mimetes the Seer wrote:

First off, I'm very proud of you all for handling this maturely and not plunging into a debate. But Jay has asked in the past that Calvinism type discussions be kept out of the forums. I have to agree with him because these conversations can very easily turn into ugly things. So, in honor of his wishes, I'm locking this thread and will have the mods archive it in a couple of days.

Feel free to continue this in pm, though.

And again, reading how yall conducted yourselves throughout this made me a proud little Council Member. *glows*

Can totally understand.

- is a basic Calvinist - So, yeah... I know what you mean.

Seer of Endor · **Joined:** February 16th, 2010, 10:36 pm **Posts:** 2603

*shakes head* Locked means don't post, sillies

Elly · **Joined:** October 22nd, 2010, 7:58 am **Posts:** 4197

I will be archiving this tomorrow. Thank you.

Lady Ness · **Joined:** May 19th, 2011, 11:30 am **Posts:** 241

I'm sorry for posting when I'm not suppose to, but I had no idea that debating was not allowed on HolyWorlds, I am sincerely sorry!

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