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PostPosted: April 4th, 2012, 10:01 pm 
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Okay, I know I mentioned these in another thread already, but that wasn't a detailed description (the purpose of that thread wasn't simply to describe and discuss these rings). Each ring is made of a special alloy made by dwarves...it is very strong as a metal, but also holds magical power that can be channeled and unleashed through runes carved into it by Runesmiths (dwarves, mostly, that specialize in runework).
Through Runes (carved on the inner side of the ring), the dwarves made the rings (and the swords they would turn into) immune to destruction by fire or by physical force (along with most magical forces as well). The ring is a gray, foggy looking thing that doesn’t glimmer, it blends in with the ground or a rocky surface...in fact the rings were also carved with runes that enable it to change a little to its surroundings-you’ll only be able to find it easily if you’ve worn it as a ring for enough time to establish a connection with it.
Some of the dwarves befriended Lycanis (the first WereWolf to be redeemed by Elah [Elah is my name for the God figure in my stories, it means something along the lines of "Awesome One" in Aramaic, another version of it is Elahim]) and his offspring (and those of his companions, which were also called "Lycanis' offspring"), and made one hundred of these Ringswords and gave them to those highest ranked among the WereWolves.
Each ringsword has its own name (oi, I hadn't been thinking about how I would need to think some of those up when I added this, but I think it's cool, and I'm keeping it) which is never changed as the ring is passed on from father to son (or, if the owner has no son, or no son deserving of it, then guy to other guy).
In order to have control over the ringsword, the owner must wear it for a time in order to establish a connection with it that will overrule that of the previous wearer (enemies trying to steal one of these rings have been killed by the wearer telling it to transform at an inconvenient time for the thief).
When one has had much experience with the ringsword, he will be able to do various things with it, such as throw the ring and tell it to transform on impact....with the blade pointing in the direction of the impact. This means the wearer can then throw the ring at an enemy, and as the ring strikes them in the chest it will become a sword with the blade running the enemy soldier through. Then all the wearer need do to retrieve his sword is simply grab the hilt and tell the ring to change back, and it will be in his fist again.
One of the main things that makes this awesome for my WereWolves is the fact that they can wear it in any of their forms.

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This is a cool idea. :cool:

How do the werewolves hold the rings in their wolf form?

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The one major potential problem I see here is that these are unbalancingly powerful; if a protagonist's group has a few of these, it may take some doing to make their opposition appear credible and sufficiently threatening to create dramatic tension. They're not quite the Ultimate Weapon, but far closer than I would care to write :).

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Jonathan Garner wrote:
This is a cool idea. :cool:


Thanks!

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How do the werewolves hold the rings in their wolf form?


They just wear them, I was sort of assuming wolves have enough "finger" to hold a ring, but if that's not the case, I'll just note that their wolf form isn't quite the same as a normal wolf, and that could provide for their ability to wear it in wolf form even though they wouldn't be able to hold it...I think. Does that seem workable?

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The one major potential problem I see here is that these are unbalancingly powerful; if a protagonist's group has a few of these, it may take some doing to make their opposition appear credible and sufficiently threatening to create dramatic tension. They're not quite the Ultimate Weapon, but far closer than I would care to write :).


Yes, I think that the WereWolves would have been very powerful with these things helping them out...but they were scattered by demon type warriors, so usually there are only a few of these guys with rings at any one place, so this sort of weapon would sort of even the odds for them. If, later on, they are gathered together as a powerful race again, they only have a hundred of them, and the enemy will likely have something pretty awesome too. And I imagine that in an organized nation setting only important people or elite soldiers would have them.
Do you think that would outweigh the unbalancing power of the weapons?

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Lycanis Mimetes wrote:
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How do the werewolves hold the rings in their wolf form?


They just wear them, I was sort of assuming wolves have enough "finger" to hold a ring, but if that's not the case, I'll just note that their wolf form isn't quite the same as a normal wolf, and that could provide for their ability to wear it in wolf form even though they wouldn't be able to hold it...I think. Does that seem workable?

I'm not sure that a wolf has enough "finger", but it's possible that since their form isn't exactly the same as a normal wolf, that could explain it. However, since the ring would be on their paw, would the fact that it was against the ground while the wolf walked and ran harm the ring?

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Jonathan Garner wrote:
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How do the werewolves hold the rings in their wolf form?


They just wear them, I was sort of assuming wolves have enough "finger" to hold a ring, but if that's not the case, I'll just note that their wolf form isn't quite the same as a normal wolf, and that could provide for their ability to wear it in wolf form even though they wouldn't be able to hold it...I think. Does that seem workable?

I'm not sure that a wolf has enough "finger", but it's possible that since their form isn't exactly the same as a normal wolf, that could explain it. However, since the ring would be on their paw, would the fact that it was against the ground while the wolf walked and ran harm the ring?


Hmm, no, because the ring is only destroyable via magical forces due to a few certain runes that make it impossible to break with physical force. But that thought raises a question: does the ring make it awkward for a wolf-shaped WereWolf to run? It might, in which case they might choose to carry them in their mouths if they need to run especially fast/far.


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Yes, a virtually invincible ring would be fine, it seems. ;)

If they could wear it comfortably while walking, then they could probably learn to run with it.

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Jonathan Garner wrote:
Yes, a virtually invincible ring would be fine, it seems. ;)


I was thinking so. :dieshappy:

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If they could wear it comfortably while walking, then they could probably learn to run with it.


Yeah, that makes sense, scratch the holding-it-in-the-mouth idea, even though it'd not likely happen, the possibilities for what could go wrong if they carried them that way are disturbing. o.O :rofl:


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Lycanis Mimetes wrote:
Yeah, that makes sense, scratch the holding-it-in-the-mouth idea, even though it'd not likely happen, the possibilities for what could go wrong if they carried them that way are disturbing. o.O :rofl:

Hmm... Yes. :rofl:

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They sound fascinating. :cool:


Maybe the ring could fit around their paw, almost like we'd wear a bracelet?

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They sound fascinating. :cool:


Maybe the ring could fit around their paw, almost like we'd wear a bracelet?


Hmm, that's a good idea, but I don't think so because they'd be pretty big wolves, although I could have it change a little to fit that way (I mean, it is a shapeshifting object, after all)...but I was thinking about it last night as I tried to sleep, I think (a bad habit, I know), and I thought maybe it would fit on their "finger" still, but it wouldn't be able to come off very well because the end of that toe would be bigger than the more slender part on which the ring is placed. Does that seem to make sense? That way they wouldn't need to worry about it falling off...


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Lycanis Mimetes wrote:
I was thinking about it last night as I tried to sleep, I think (a bad habit, I know), and I thought maybe it would fit on their "finger" still, but it wouldn't be able to come off very well because the end of that toe would be bigger than the more slender part on which the ring is placed. Does that seem to make sense? That way they wouldn't need to worry about it falling off...

That makes sense, since dog "toes" tend to be like that.

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I wonder... since the ring already has shifting powers, if it expands and turns into a sort of tight bracelet which would be far more comfortable for a wolf to wear. How does that sound Jon and Lycan?

I think it sounds fine, either way. I looked at our dog's foot, and the "toes" seemed to be situated in such a way that theoretically a ring would stay on (and in fact be unable to come off...) as well as stay off the ground, and beyond that it's just whether it would be comfortable for walking/running.

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Sir Racham Mimetes wrote:
Very cool idea Lycan.


Thank you. :D

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Hmm, no, because the ring is only destroyable via magical forces due to a few certain runes that make it impossible to break with physical force. But that thought raises a question: does the ring make it awkward for a wolf-shaped WereWolf to run? It might, in which case they might choose to carry them in their mouths if they need to run especially fast/far.


I wonder... since the ring already has shifting powers, if it expands and turns into a sort of tight bracelet which would be far more comfortable for a wolf to wear. How does that sound Jon and Lycan?


That is a cool idea...*thinking*

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I was thinking about it last night as I tried to sleep, I think (a bad habit, I know), and I thought maybe it would fit on their "finger" still, but it wouldn't be able to come off very well because the end of that toe would be bigger than the more slender part on which the ring is placed. Does that seem to make sense? That way they wouldn't need to worry about it falling off...

That makes sense, since dog "toes" tend to be like that.

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I wonder... since the ring already has shifting powers, if it expands and turns into a sort of tight bracelet which would be far more comfortable for a wolf to wear. How does that sound Jon and Lycan?

I think it sounds fine, either way. I looked at our dog's foot, and the "toes" seemed to be situated in such a way that theoretically a ring would stay on (and in fact be unable to come off...) as well as stay off the ground, and beyond that it's just whether it would be comfortable for walking/running.


Oh cool! I was wishing I had a dog so i could look at it's foot... :rofl: Thanks for doing that, I'm glad to know that would probably work to some extent anyway...I like both ideas to tell the truth (meaning, the bracelet idea and the ring on the toe idea), so I shall have to continue to weigh them before I decide for sure. *begins a pondering session that probably won't end until the idea is published in a story and therefore unchangeable* Any more ideas/comments/suggestions will be helpful if you have them and want to share them! ;)

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Awesome idea. :cool:

Can they turn the rings into anything other then swords?

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Awesome idea. :cool:


Thank you! :D

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Can they turn the rings into anything other then swords?


No, not these ones anyway, because the runes on them only provide for the sword shape and possibly size change so it can with over a wolf's leg (not sure yet, though). But this sort of metal and runework has also been done on necklaces/bracelets/armbands so that they can be turned into Chakrams! And they might also do other things with it, there's so much I don't know yet about Vadran Dwarves. ;)


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Neat idea. :D

Forgive me if I missed this somewhere on the thread, but is there anything about the rings that makes them useful when a werewolf is in wolf form? Wouldn't a sword be useless to a creature with paws instead of hands?

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Ira Mordecai Mimetes wrote:
Neat idea. :D

Forgive me if I missed this somewhere on the thread, but is there anything about the rings that makes them useful when a werewolf is in wolf form? Wouldn't a sword be useless to a creature with paws instead of hands?


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I don't think you missed anything. :) The point of it being a ring is so that they can carry it in wolf form, and then use it when they are in wolfman or human form. Otherwise they would have to leave almost all weapons behind should they change to wolf form (which they'd most likely do when they need to move really fast or go a long, long ways). Even if they are in wolfman form, the sword would slow them down an awful lot when they go on all fours (though I'm thinking about a sort of strap that might help with that, they might not always have those).


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Ah, that makes sense. :D

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