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 Post subject: Re: Tolkien: Virtues, Morals and Christianity
PostPosted: September 12th, 2010, 9:01 pm 
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Ah, well. I see we're never going to agree. It's just something fun to debate. :)

And yes, lets talk hobbits. I don't really think they're at all related to dwarves, because their way of thinking is so different. Dwarves are all metal and rock, while hobbits are all plants and don't like or have any interest that kind of thing. Also, by the time hobbits are hobbits, they're very much their own people, and while they might get caught up with in the events of men, they're not tied to them. I think there are two theories about where hobbits are "today," (just for the sake of this convo, can we talk "ME was our world thousands of years ago" please?) that they faded away with the wilderness, though if we look hard enough we may find one or two, though they're getting smaller, or that they mingled with men, and have gotten nearly unrecognizable from humans. I tend to go with the first, since it seems a more natural evolution (if I may use the word, I hope you guys know what I mean by it) to be getting farther from man-like rather than closer again. Of course, that all depends on where you think the origin of hobbits is.

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 Post subject: Re: Tolkien: Virtues, Morals and Christianity
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Ah, well. I see we're never going to agree. It's just something fun to debate. :)

And yes, lets talk hobbits. I don't really think they're at all related to dwarves, because their way of thinking is so different. Dwarves are all metal and rock, while hobbits are all plants and don't like or have any interest that kind of thing. Also, by the time hobbits are hobbits, they're very much their own people, and while they might get caught up with in the events of men, they're not tied to them. I think there are two theories about where hobbits are "today," (just for the sake of this convo, can we talk "ME was our world thousands of years ago" please?) that they faded away with the wilderness, though if we look hard enough we may find one or two, though they're getting smaller, or that they mingled with men, and have gotten nearly unrecognizable from humans. I tend to go with the first, since it seems a more natural evolution (if I may use the word, I hope you guys know what I mean by it) to be getting farther from man-like rather than closer again. Of course, that all depends on where you think the origin of hobbits is.


Well, there's a forward to LoTR in which Tolkien explains that Hobbits today are nearly impossible for men to find, that they have mostly remained themselves, except that they've had to change some things in order to avoid us, and you get the idea that they'll eventually just fade away all together.

Really, I meant the question of origins. I don't really want to debate theories as much as hear theories that may not have occurred to me. I'm also sure I could dig something about it up, if I read Christopher Tolkien's History of Middle Earth books all the way through.

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 Post subject: Re: Tolkien: Virtues, Morals and Christianity
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I don't think the origins of Hobbits is ever mentioned, or really explained.

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 Post subject: Re: Tolkien: Virtues, Morals and Christianity
PostPosted: September 13th, 2010, 11:49 am 
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Varon wrote:
I don't think the origins of Hobbits is ever mentioned, or really explained.


Which is why we're proposing theories. :?

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Sorry to be getting off hobbits...
What exactly is the extent of Sauron's power over the Palantir? I know he can control what images appear, but can he do a kind of "Mirror of Galadriel" thing; showing an image that might come to pass, or just a totally false one?

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