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PostPosted: September 2nd, 2011, 5:42 am 
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I'd like to get involved in this, if that's ok. I'll start working on a story. I have a couple in progress so I'll probably finish one of those off. :)

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I could ask Adam Palmer if he'd be interested - I've done an interview with him before and he writes for MLP. He does mainly Sci-Fi, I believe :)

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I know of an author that could be a mentor. His name is Craig Gordon, and he's been my writing mentor for the past year. He's not very well known at this point, but what I've read of his work has been really well done. He is a fantasy author. I'm not sure if he would have the time, but I can ask him, if you would like. And it would be another excuse for me to try to get him on HW. ;)

I'm intrigued by this idea. I am considering doing it, but at this point the main things standing in my way are having a required story length, and the fact that I'd have to set my book aside temporarily to do it. I'm definitely thinking about it, though. :)

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Great! Are you referring to the anthology to come out after mentorship stories are completed? Or are you talking about the mentorship program?


Both, if that's possible, Tim? Or am I getting confused. :)

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Elanhil just asked if he could ask Scott Appleton to be a mentor. I said yes though I haven't read any of his stuff, but I believe Rob Treskillard had high praise for him. If you know of an author you'd like to ask, let me know, and we'll go from there. I doubt I'll say no, but I'd like to know before you ask.
I have emailed him and am awaiting a response. :D

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Okay, but before people send any more emails, we should work on a concise explanation of the program and what their duties will entail. Does anyone want to give a crack at this? I have a lot of writing to do today and might not get to it. The mentors in team pyp don't do much work, aside from critiquing the stories at the first of the month, then the group is supposed to work together to help prepare the stories for the end of the month's submission.

One thing I'm perplexed by is that if we get professional and well known authors, what is my role? Am I going to make corrections on their editing? Am I just an organizer that helps select what stories we publish and which we send to PYP's online mag?

Chila Woychik, the head of team pyp gets all the submissions at the end of each three month quarter and decides which are the top three, as well as makes editorial comments.

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I think you'd be acting in Chila's position, Tim, even if you have professionals as mentors. I'd prefer to get as many people from within the community to be mentors as possible, still.


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Lady Elanor wrote:
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Great! Are you referring to the anthology to come out after mentorship stories are completed? Or are you talking about the mentorship program?


Both, if that's possible, Tim? Or am I getting confused. :)


Okay, well we're going to need help choosing the winners of the contest to pick our mentors. You can help read the submissions.

This is open to anyone that wants to read them. The more votes the better.

So, Lady Elanor, if you want to participate, get us a short story by Nov. 1, and an application paragraph as I mentioned above. It's a short bio on your writing experience.

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Well, I think I'm going to go out on a limb and do this....and try to keep writing my own book at the same time.

For the submissions for the contest, do they have to be new stories, or can they have been used for something else before? I gave my one and only short story to Airianna to use on the blog, but it hasn't been posted yet, and it won't be on the schedule until at least October.

Would I be able to help read the submissions for the contest as well, as long as I didn't vote for my own?

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Does the entry have to be fiction? I wrote a creative non-fiction ... thing. It's like a drabble or a free form essence map or a poem, but it's about 450 words.


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Well, I think I'm going to go out on a limb and do this....and try to keep writing my own book at the same time.


That's great Raven! I'm writing a book right now too and the team pyp mentorship program is working out fine. I spend a day or two a week on the short story, then the rest of the time on my novel. I highly recommend working on short stories and novels at the same time because of how it works multiple levels of your writing, as well as gets you some publication credits to build your audience and experience publishing. When all you do is write novels, you can easily miss out for long periods of time on the benefits of being critiqued and writing 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc drafts.

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For the submissions for the contest, do they have to be new stories, or can they have been used for something else before? I gave my one and only short story to Airianna to use on the blog, but it hasn't been posted yet, and it won't be on the schedule until at least October.

Would I be able to help read the submissions for the contest as well, as long as I didn't vote for my own?


You can use that story, and yes, you can help read submissions. I don't see any limitation on who reads the submissions. I think I said earlier that is open to all so we have a fair vote.

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Does the entry have to be fiction? I wrote a creative non-fiction ... thing. It's like a drabble or a free form essence map or a poem, but it's about 450 words.


No Jay, this is a fiction contest. :roll: How am I supposed to grade your fiction writing if you send me a poem? *walks away shaking head*

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I'll send one in; I wrote a Sci Fi one not too long ago, it needs some work but it's probably about 1k words, is that long enough?

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Sounds good! I'll get my submission sent off either today or tomorrow.

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I'm . . . err, getting a little confused. :roll: Somehow I was on page one and realized there were four pages. :P *goes back to re-read*

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I'll send one in; I wrote a Sci Fi one not too long ago, it needs some work but it's probably about 1k words, is that long enough?


I haven't said anything about how long it has to be, as long as it is under 7500 words. Polish it up before you send it though.

Jay, if they are "stories" that is fine. You really can't do anything normal can you ;)

Don't forget your bio paragraphs with your submissions folks. Put that in the body of the email and then attach your story.

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For those with questions, I edited the first post with some bullet points and a timeline. Let me know if this clarifies things for you or if you still have questions.

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Jay... that's not fiction. :P Send one of your stories. The dancing one was really good. :D

A nice concise explanation would be good! I like explanations. I'm rather confused, but haven't worked out what questions I need to ask to get unconfused... although here's one to get you started. How are you going to assign the mentors to the mentees? You may have answered this, but I don't remember what you said.

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It involves analyzing style, writing skill, genres, and publication credits (if any). Or, I think it does.


I saw mentioning style in the bio, how will that work?

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It involves analyzing style, writing skill, genres, and publication credits (if any). Or, I think it does.


I saw mentioning style in the bio, how will that work?


lol, I'm sorry Varon, but I have no idea what your comment is referring to or how to answer it.

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* To apply, attach your best 7500 word or less short story to an email to [email protected]. In the body of the email, write a short bio of your writing achievements, style and goals for the next year or so. (this will help with placement)


How does one define their own style?

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I suppose genre is implied in that Varon, but also your style/strengths as a writer. For me that would be using monsters in both sf and fantasy, as well as fast paced action and complicated plot with strong world building/setting.

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I like to say that I found my niche a while back, but I'm too big to fit in it. :P My style? Whatever I want to do, that I do. ^_^


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I have a question. Do the stories submitted for the contest have to be a specific genre?

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Vanya Katerina Jaynin wrote:
I have a question. Do the stories submitted for the contest have to be a specific genre?


No.

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I like to say that I found my niche a while back, but I'm too big to fit in it. :P My style? Whatever I want to do, that I do. ^_^


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Hmphf. Okay, I was going to rewrite the Dancing in the North story anyway, so I'll do that and submit it. :)


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So, do I need to be doing anything yet?

From what I've gleaned from the thread, probably just writing or rewriting a short story to analyze skills for the mentoring thing. I don't think the anthology comes in 'till a little later. . .

Was that accurate, Tim?

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Yep, just work on your story. But, Varon, since you have the advantage of being in this program for team pyp, you can be thinking about ways to implement what you're learning into blogs/articles on story improvement. I can show you what I mean in private once I get my critique back from my mentor.

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I forgot about this & lost the thread. :P

If you're still thinking about inviting professional authors, I'd go for Ted Dekker, actually. <grin>

But I think most/all professional authors are long shots and you're going to have to ask a lot of authors to get a few yes's.

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Right, write about showing versus telling. :shock:

I'll see what I can do.

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If it would help I can post the email I sent to Scott in here, including the short description I gave of what exactly we're doing...

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I forgot about this & lost the thread. :P

If you're still thinking about inviting professional authors, I'd go for Ted Dekker, actually. <grin>

But I think most/all professional authors are long shots and you're going to have to ask a lot of authors to get a few yes's.

I would too, but Dekker's probably quite busy. :P We should certainly ask him if he'll give us an endorsement when we have an anthology, though.


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I forgot about this & lost the thread. :P

If you're still thinking about inviting professional authors, I'd go for Ted Dekker, actually. <grin>

But I think most/all professional authors are long shots and you're going to have to ask a lot of authors to get a few yes's.

I would too, but Dekker's probably quite busy. :P We should certainly ask him if he'll give us an endorsement when we have an anthology, though.


Very true, but as my screenwriting mentor always told me: "The worst answer you could get is no, so ask anyway!" (Or something like that. XD)

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Haha, yeah. That's true. Mostly. I can think of worse answers but not that you'd get from Ted Dekker. :P

I still can't believe that I'm going to meet Ted Dekker AND Bryan Davis within three days of each other RIGHT HERE in my town...


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Haha, yeah. That's true. Mostly. I can think of worse answers but not that you'd get from Ted Dekker. :P

I still can't believe that I'm going to meet Ted Dekker AND Bryan Davis within three days of each other RIGHT HERE in my town...


I'm sure my screenwriting mentor wasn't going to mention possible worse answers. XD (No need to scare the poor girl off from doing what she needed to do... [Last year I was doing Easter: A Twitter Re-enactment press work and had to call tons of people to ask for publicity. <grin>])

You are? I didn't know this!

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Yeah, Ted Dekker and Tosca Lee are in Portland, OR on the 24th for a book signing as part of their tour promoting Forbidden. Which is a REALLY awesome book. I have a signed advance reader's copy. ;) I'm going to get a new hardcover and have it signed and put my advance copy away to keep it safe.

And I'm arranging for Bryan Davis to speak to my homeschool co-op group on the evening of the 27th. We're having some location issues involving churches that won't respond to my calls and emails, so prayer that we can work it out smoothly would be nice. :P

Back on topic. I think I'll talk to Mr. Davis about this project if I get the chance. ^_^


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Wow, that's all awesome. :)

(And I want to read Forbidden if I can get my hands on a copy. After The Circle, I'm willing to give anything fantasy from Dekker a try. <grin>)

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Ok guys, let's reel this back in. About asking people to endorse the anthology, let's not get ahead of ourselves. That's at least a year from now. Dekker and Lee are super busy this year writing all three Book of Mortals books, so let's not even bother making them tell us no. If we get mentors outside of HW, they aren't going to be authors working on major publishing contracts.

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Timotheus wrote:
Ok guys, let's reel this back in. About asking people to endorse the anthology, let's not get ahead of ourselves. That's at least a year from now. Dekker and Lee are super busy this year writing all three Book of Mortals books, so let's not even bother making them tell us no. If we get mentors outside of HW, they aren't going to be authors working on major publishing contracts.

Right. Good point. :)


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If we get mentors outside of HW, they aren't going to be authors working on major publishing contracts.


You don't know that. <smile>

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Here is the email I sent to Scott... Now that I read over it, I should have done so several times before sending to him. :blush: XD As you can see, I took much about the outline of the program from Tim's original post.

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Mr. Appleton,

I am Caleb Joyce; you might recognize my name from an interview I conducted with you awhile back for intothebook.net. I would like you to know that our readers all enjoyed the interview, and we got much positive feedback to your answers. Thank you for your cooperation on that project.

Today I'd like to come before you with another request. I am also a 'Marcher Lord', or a leader of the Fantasy Forum of holyworlds.org. Holy Worlds is trying to organize a Mentor-ship program to help young authors grow and improve their writing.

We are basing our program off of Port Yonder Press's program, http://portyonderpress.com/TEAMPYP.aspx . We will divide one year, 2012, into four parts. Three months each for writing stories from 1,000 words, 2,500 words, 5,000 words and 7,500 words. At the end of the first month, the people who you are mentoring would turn their stories in to you. The second month the mentored would of adapt the work per your critiques and share it with their team members before turning in again to you at the end of the month. Same thing for the third month, with final submissions going to the leader of the project (and maybe other people depending on how large a group we have.)

A major difference between this and the PYP groups is that each quarter for PYP groups they reasearch GENERAL markets to submit to. The market for this HW Mentorship Program is more akin to Splashdown Books, which is open about their love for Christ, but varies in terms of how much Christianity is included in their works. The other thing is that there are not many markets out there for Speculative Christian Fiction, so we may end up keeping the accepted stories each quarter and then publishing them at the end of the year in an anthology, or publishing the best of each quarter.

(please note that these details have not been set in stone yet, and your role as a mentor might be slightly different than outlined here)

We need Mentors, and we would be honoured to have you join the program as a Mentor. If you are interested please contact me no later than November 1st, so we can know if we can plan on having you as a mentor.

Thank you for taking the time to read this email, and God bless,
Caleb Joyce

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Here is his reply:
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Hi Caleb,

This does sound like a fun opportunity. However, before committing to it I would need a few more details. I maintain a very busy schedule between book signings, school appearances, and writing. How many young authors would I be mentoring? Reading several 1,000-word stories would not be difficult, but once it gets to 7,500-words that is a sizeable chunk of writing. Would I be line-editing their work in Word, or simply a critique/evaluation of each story with suggestions for improvement? Would I be working with one young author at a time, or several?
If you can clear these things up for me I can more thoroughly consider your request.

God bless!
Could I have some input to help answer his questions? Thanks!

(By the way, he is working on a major contract, but he does seem interested. ;) )

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Based on the PYP model; it's mostly large scale critiques and evaluations. Line editing is done mostly by other mentees.

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That's not necessarily true, Varon. My mentor went through and critiqued everything that needed it, including sentence structure, poor similes, etc.
I've explained the mentor's role in the first post, I believe. What we don't know is how many people he'd have. I'd say it's however many he thinks he can handle. PYP is set up with 3 people per mentor, and that's what I've said all along.

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Okay, our group hasn't done all that much yet.

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At the end of each month, have all team members submit their story to their mentor for suggestions/thoughts. In between, group members will submit to each other for feedback/critiques.


The role of mentor is to help at the end of each month.

At the end of the first month, we submit our story to the mentor. A week or two into the second month we submit the changes we've made based on the mentor's comments to our team members. This repeats until the end of the third month when we submit to the head, which in our case is me.

I will go through the stories, perhaps with a team, that does not have to include all the mentors, and choose the best stories. Chila Woychik of Port Yonder Press has offered to publish some of our best stories through her online mag. But other options are keeping some for HW to publish as part of anthologies that will grow in content throughout the year. By the end of the year, we'll have a good idea if or how many anthologies we can publish.

Therefore, mentors have 3 critiques per month, two months on, one month off, for 12 months. The month off they can volunteer to help choose top stories for the anthologies or for PYP (that is up to the author).

Elanhil, is this sufficient to email Scott?

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Also, I made this post on our Holy Worlds Community Page:

Holy Worlds is running a mentorship program as an off-shoot of what Chila Woychik is doing with the TEAM PYP groups at Port Yonder Press. If you are interested in being a mentor or a mentee, please contact me. We will start Jan. 1, 2012, but I'd like your submission by Nov. 1. Essentially, mentees will work on a short story per three months of 2012. We will have 3 mentees per group under a mentor. The mentor's role is to critique the stories at the end of the first and second month, with whatever specificity seems necessary. In between mentees rely on each other for critiques. At the end of the third month, all stories will be submitted to me for review. We will be collecting stories to release as an anthology (s) at the beginning of 2013. Questions?

Of course, this doesn't include all the info, but it's enough for a short advertisement. If you know someone you'd like to ask to be a mentor or mentee, you can copy this in your invitation. If you are reaching out to a professional outside of HW, let me know first.

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