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PostPosted: June 10th, 2013, 6:05 pm 
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I really don't know why this is a problem for me, but it is.

I can't write dialogue for introverts.

Shy is one thing, you have short, quiet answers and the other character just trying to draw them out. I just can't figure other sorts of introverts, the ones that have things to say but don't want to say them or the ones who are brooding but not overly rude in avoiding conversation.

Maybe I'm just not good at catching character's essences in their voice and mannerisms, but this sort of thing has really brought my writing to a stand still.

Any thoughts, tips, or samples that could help out?

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PostPosted: June 10th, 2013, 9:47 pm 
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As an introvert myself, I hope I can help you out.

It really depends on what sort of introvert your character is. Not all of them are "shy". :) Here are some reasons to why I usually don't speak up at times:

1. I am processing the situation before speaking.
2. I practice rehearsing and revising what I'm going to say.
3. I prefer to remain a nonparticipant in the particular topic.
4. I'm afraid my opinion may be disregarded.
5. I don't possess the charisma of an extrovert and therefore have to find openings to speak.

Introverts can be very talkative at times. In small group settings, I can talk a person's ear off. This happens when:

1. I'm comfortable with the company I'm with.
2. We are talking about something I'm also passionate about.
3. The listener is attentive, so I feel encouraged to talk without feeling that I have to compete with an extrovert.

I'm very inward thinking, but personally I have to talk my thoughts out to someone in order to make sense of them myself.

The tip for writing introverted dialog is to make it unobtrusive. I've found many of my introverted friends don't have a habit of trying to rule the conversation. If they are interrupted, they often back down. (Ouch, that's a blow to the self esteem.) :P Most introverts are not naturally inclined leader personalities either.

Hopefully that helps a little. ^^;

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I'm highly introverted as well. I think it's part of my dialogue problem.

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My biggest hurdle is filler dialog for any character. :P

I don't consider myself highly introverted, but I'm sure we have other introverts besides ourselves who can chime in ideas for your characters speech.

Could you maybe give us an idea of what your character is like? That may help. : ]

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*thinks*

Well, she's more a watcher than a speaker usually... Pretty methodical, hangs out with animals more than people... Doesn't really trust new people.

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(Yay for introverts! :) )

As one, I often rehearse conversations in my head before I actually say them. My answers are short and often directly to the point unless I am with people I'm extremely comfortable with where I can, like Calenmiriel, talk someone's ear off about topics I love. :D

Maybe you could show pauses in the character's speech, or do something to give the impression that she is thinking a great deal or making an observation before speaking? :P

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My kind of introvertedness is the kind that isn't confident that what is in my mind will come out of my mouth correctly, so I often stutter a bit before I begin what I'm about to say. I also have very long pauses between key words, and my gaze darts about as I try to come up with the right description/word/etc. I know should come next. I'm like a pedantic writer in editing mode whilst word warring when it comes to speaking with people I'm unfamiliar with. :P But I get way too excitable and hyper with people I am quite comfortable with; I talk fast, and rather loudly.

(Not sure if that was any help at all...)

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Even if you don't leave it in the final edit, you might try writing the thoughts of the introverted character, leading up the the point where they actually speak up. :)

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*echoes Rebekah**

Also, being an introvert myself, try not to have your characters initiate a conversation -- unless it's on a topic they care deeply about. I don't talk a lot, but once someone mentions a hobby of mine (like Minecraft) it takes hours for me to shut up. XD

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I agree with most of what is said here (I'm and introvert and only talk with people I know or on a subject I'm passionate about).
However, I know several introverts who will speak up just because they are introverted, though usually only to say something silly. It is easier for some introverts to be jokers, because this means everyone laughs (making you feel relevant) and it means they don't have to reveal their inner selves to people.

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My suggestion--because I have done this and it helped my dialogue improve tremendously--is to take some time, several times, over the course of a few weeks, probably, and go to a public place like a coffee shop or something and sit and observe conversations (sunglasses are useful). And by "observe conversations" I mean listen and watch, so you can get the mannerisms and facial expressions as well as what is actually said.

I had to do this as a homework assignment for a class, but I found it works so well that I do it regularly, now.

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PostPosted: June 12th, 2013, 9:42 pm 
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That's a really good idea. It also gives a chance for some introverted quiet time too. :)

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PostPosted: June 19th, 2013, 8:51 am 
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I'm very introverted. A lot of people on here talk about how you can get them to talk on a subject they know about or really like, but I never do, even on those kinds of topics. The only time I'm ever talkative is in print. * smiles * And even then I cut it short.

So...perspective from an extreme. :) I also watch people a lot, so this is not just drawn from personal experience.

A big difference between being shy and being introverted, I think, is that shy people avoid the outside world (even while they are in it), while introverts who are not shy merely refrain from adding huge amounts to it. When I am being shy, I avoid groups where there is much talking going on, I avoid eye-contact, and I generally act more nervous when someone addresses me. When I am not being shy, I engage through body language, watch and listen visibly, and answer questions to the best of my ability. (Yes, someone can switch between being shy and not being shy. :))

Another thing about introvert conversation, which comes out particularly when there are two introverts talking or most of the people in the conversation are introverts or an introvert is dominating the conversation, is that the proportion of thought to words is much greater. A conversation I wrote recently in which an introvert was talking to someone (not a conversation where someone was talking to an introvert – big difference ;)) had a pattern something like this: Two people hug each other; person asks question; introvert doesn't answer; silence, silence, silence; introvert says a sentence of four words that is not directly relevant to the question; other person says two sentences; silence, silence, silence; introvert says another sentence of four words; other person answers in one or two sentences, and they take each other's hands; silence, silence; other person begins to ask a question that goes on and sort of peters off; introvert says no; introvert answers first question of all, indirectly; other person is happy and dances; other person asks a question; introvert answers with three words. End of conversation.

That brought to mind another thing that you might keep in mind about introvert conversation. If you ask a question of an introvert they might answer you, or they might not, or they might put you of, but sometimes they will either directly or indirectly answer the question later in the conversation. They've had time to think about it by then.

When an introvert is forced to talk small talk (obviously he's been forced, he'd never do it on purpose ;)), sometimes when he will say 'yes', or nod, or say 'right', or so on, it will mean something different from someone else. Rather than agreement, these signs are acknowledgement. Acknowledgement of the other person's opinion – acknowledgement that they just said something – so on. Example:

Me and Person are passing each other while walking across the room.

Person: 'Desserts are the best part of a meal.'

Me: Yes. * smile * <translation: I realize that desserts and other sweet things are often the favored food of normal people, especially people in your particular demographic.>

If I said anything but 'yes', in my typical introvert fashion, it would be extremely awkward.

Person: 'Desserts are the best part of a meal.'

Me: * stands and looks at floor while cogitating what has been said * * Person grows increasingly worried over the period of the next four seconds * Actually, though it's perfectly alright for you to like desserts best, I don't like them all that much, especially not in very large quantities. Those ones do look nice though. I hope you enjoy them. * exit *

Person: :/

They prefer it when you just say 'yes', or give a pleasant and non-committal grunt, or something like that. * grins * 'Yes' means assent, which is often agreement, but not always. I use it in the 'not always' way quite often.

One introvert I know takes the initial period of three seconds that a lot of introverts need before replying and fills it with assenting with you – nodding, m-hm-ing, etc. – whether or not he is about to flatly contradict you. :D When I saw something he wrote once, awhile after I had become acquainted with him, the effect was comparatively stark without all the instinctual agreeing.

I have also noticed that many introverts are rather extreme when they do speak. Because they take the extra time to decide exactly what they want to say, their innate personality comes out in a different, often stronger way than it does with extroverts. If an introvert is opinionated, he phrases his words in a more opinionated way. If he is unsure of himself, his words are littered with restrictive and modifying phrases. I do that a lot. * wry * I rarely (there I go again! I was going to say never, but amended it) ever state something in an absolute manner. That's not because I'm an introvert – it's because of other aspects of my personality and philosophy. However I do it more than I would if I was an extrovert, because I take the time to craft what I say according to that personality and philosophy. See what I mean?

The reason for this long post is that I am an introvert with an interest in psychology. ;) I could keep talking, but I think I'll stop now....


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This thread is so helpful!

I'm an introvert, but once I get to know people I too can talk a lot. :) I seem to have developed more social skills as I've grown older, probably through having to deal with customers, phone conversations, dealing with my accountant, business calls and loads of other things. But I still am an introvert, and I don't find those situations easy. When I was younger I was terrible, I used to be talking to people, and in my mind I'd be pulling down every word that came out of my mouth. Why did I say that, are they even interested in this? I shouldn't be taking about this. It was so bad I had to pray about it, I was driving myself insane with second guessing constantly. I don't do that anymore, but I still find it hard to make conversation, unless it's something that I am really passionate about. I can stammer quite a lot when I'm beginning to talk about something, or I get stuck on a word and have to take a deep breath and try again. :)

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This thread is really interesting and informative. :D
I'm not sure whether I'm an extrovert or introvert or something in between... it all depends on how I'm feeling. So I don't know how much help I can be. :P

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