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PostPosted: July 18th, 2011, 4:36 am 
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O Sir, do you know much about head injuries?


Not enough. ;) But I do know that the scalp bleeds a lot when cut, that cartilage (i.e. in the nose and ears) is easily infected, that the tongue and eyes are extremely sensitive to pain, and that the skull is harder than reputed.


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PostPosted: July 18th, 2011, 8:54 pm 
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I just have a MC, whom I want to have suffer from headaches, as a result of a head injury he sustained when he was young. I am not sure what kind of injury would result in this symptom, however.

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I just have a MC, whom I want to have suffer from headaches, as a result of a head injury he sustained when he was young. I am not sure what kind of injury would result in this symptom, however.


Well his neck could have been wrenched and thus injured in the spine, which would cause loads of headaches for the rest of his life until treated properly (with something similar to chiropractics). It would have to be something more blunt or like whiplash to do it, and it would also result in difficulty with good posture and pain in other areas as well.


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Sir Emeth Mimetes wrote:
the skull is harder than reputed.


Which is why zombies wouldn't be able to eat brains.

Could metaphysical energy actually cause enough damage to kill a person? Or is that to vague?

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Define metaphysical energy. :)


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Sir Emeth Mimetes wrote:
Well his neck could have been wrenched and thus injured in the spine, which would cause loads of headaches for the rest of his life until treated properly (with something similar to chiropractics). It would have to be something more blunt or like whiplash to do it, and it would also result in difficulty with good posture and pain in other areas as well.

Okay...I'll give that some thought. Thanks. :)

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Magic, to put it simply. I'm thinking it looks like the emerald energy from Green Lantern, transparent with a colored tint and sort of gel-like.

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Magic, to put it simply. I'm thinking it looks like the emerald energy from Green Lantern, transparent with a colored tint and sort of gel-like.


It depends entirely upon the magic. You can choose your own strength on that score.


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I come bearing another question! :D

I have an evil character that sneaks up behind another elf and slices the aforementioned elf's throat. Is it realistic for the dying elf to drown in his own blood?

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I come bearing another question! :D

I have an evil character that sneaks up behind another elf and slices the aforementioned elf's throat. Is it realistic for the dying elf to drown in his own blood?


Yes... but he would die before that from lack of blood to the brain.


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Oh well. :P

How long would it take for him to die after having his throat slit? Would he be able to make some resistance/struggle/etc...?

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Oh well. :P

How long would it take for him to die after having his throat slit? Would he be able to make some resistance/struggle/etc...?


No, he would go unconscious in a matter of seconds, and die within the minute.


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I'm looking for info on crossbows (as I mentioned in the Twisted Arrow Shafts thread), since one of my characters gets shot in the chest with one from about 22 feet away. Is that close range? Would it go all the way through? Would it be plausible to puncture his lung with the bolt? How big is the bolt anyway? Is it a life-threatening injury? What kind of reaction (difficulty breathing, level of pain, etc) would there be?

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Lady Eruwaedhiel wrote:
I'm looking for info on crossbows (as I mentioned in the Twisted Arrow Shafts thread), since one of my characters gets shot in the chest with one from about 22 feet away. Is that close range? Would it go all the way through? Would it be plausible to puncture his lung with the bolt? How big is the bolt anyway? Is it a life-threatening injury? What kind of reaction (difficulty breathing, level of pain, etc) would there be?

P.S. He doesn't die. :P


That is close range. If it is a mounted crossbow (not a carried one) it would likely go directly through him if he is not armored. Puncturing his lung is likely, causing hemorrhages, coughing up blood, infections, difficulty breathing, extreme pain, difficulty moving that side of his upper body or sitting upright. It would need to be bound tightly and he would need to rest for a long time (weeks to months very likely). It could easily become life threatening if it gets infected (likely in a medieval setting). It would be excruciating, because he would be constantly coughing, which wracks his injury.

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Very much, though I was more thinking about immediate reactions (since it gets healed by magical means fairly quickly). Is it life-threatening if not immediately dealt with? Is bleeding a big problem? It was a carried crossbow, by the way.

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Very much, though I was more thinking about immediate reactions (since it gets healed by magical means fairly quickly). Is it life-threatening if not immediately dealt with? Is bleeding a big problem? It was a carried crossbow, by the way.


If it's healed by magical means, then he should be fine, of course. If it's a carried crossbow, it probably won't go all the way through him, especially if he's wearing armor. Puncturing the lung is still possible. Severe pain in that side of his upper body would result, and sudden difficulty breathing and spasms of his diaphragm I think would also follow. He would be coughing up blood too.


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Sir Emeth Mimetes wrote:
Suiauthon wrote:
Oh well. :P

How long would it take for him to die after having his throat slit? Would he be able to make some resistance/struggle/etc...?


No, he would go unconscious in a matter of seconds, and die within the minute.

Ok. *will rewrite that scene*

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O Sir? Do you mind if I post a question for my sister?

Okay, a sixteen-year-old boy gets chomped on the upper thigh by a crocodile, right near the pelvic joint. He loses a lot of blood, because he is left unattended all night. He does not die.
What would be the result? Is it likely to damage whatever important nerve runs through there? How hard do crocs bite, anyway?

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O Sir? Do you mind if I post a question for my sister?

Okay, a sixteen-year-old boy gets chomped on the upper thigh by a crocodile, right near the pelvic joint. He loses a lot of blood, because he is left unattended all night. He does not die.
What would be the result? Is it likely to damage whatever important nerve runs through there? How hard do crocs bite, anyway?


No problem. :)

If the crocodile bites him from the outside, then he might lose the leg, but that would be through infection not nerve damage. The thigh is pretty protected with bone and muscle. If he gets bit on the inside of the thigh, however, he'll die, period. There is a massive artery (or vein, not sure which) that goes through there which springs back up into the pelvic cavity when severed, making it impossible to tourniquet or stanch. The person will die in minutes if not immediately attended by an expert, and even then it's a slim chance.

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Thank you. And now another question. ;)

Remember that character who got squished by a log? Well, I changed it so that the log falls on her chest, squishing her into the mud, and breaks three ribs. (Plausible, right?) So, do you, or anybody, know what the recovery process for broken ribs is like?

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I know a bit, but here's a link which explains more. Not sure how accurate it is, but it's something to start with anyway.

http://firstaid.about.com/od/shortnesso ... atment.htm


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Okay, thank you very much! So, broken ribs are a little more serious than I thought, and it really, really hurts to breathe. Thanks for finding that for me. :)

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Actually, a quite good way to kill someone with a knife would be to slice through the carotid artery behind the left ear -- that sends blood straight to the brain, and is probably the quickest way to kill someone with a knife.

So I have a questionish thing I've been pondering -- two related ones, actually.

If someone experienced an electric surge from inside the heart that opened up the valves so that they wouldn't close, how soon would they die? (currently in the book it's a matter of minutes)

On the other hand, if a person's heart was ruptured from the inside, would they be able to live an hour or so before dying?

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Hmmm.... that's a very cool way to die...

Ahem, sorry. :D I would suppose the effect would be very similar to blocking the carotid arteries. I would give the person thirty seconds at the most to remain conscious, and two minutes to survive. I extended it a bit beyond what would happen with a throat choke because there is more blood available for the brain this way, I think.

Ruptured... meaning severe internal hemorrhages draining the blood directly from the main source... probably not hours I would think. More likely shock would set in after only a minute or less due to extreme loss of blood, and they would die soon after, I am guessing.


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I'll remind you of that, Jay, if you ever experience it. *shakes head * :)

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Thank you, your thoughtfulness is much appreciated. You know... "that's cool" sounds like some fun last words...


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Ri-ight... :D Memorable, anyways.

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*reads the new posts and finds himself laughing and nodding in agreement to them all* :rofl:

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Sir Emeth Mimetes wrote:
Hmmm.... that's a very cool way to die...

:rofl: When I read this I was thinking, "How horribly sadistic!" but then I had to realize, "Oh wait, I'm even worse." :rofl:

Well, in one story I have electronic implants in the heart which can either burst to rupture the heart or can simply shut down. I have one case where one guy's Implant was detonated and he's supposed to still be alive (coughing blood and all that) to say some last words when another character arrives back from a place a mile or two away. I guess maybe I can speed things up though.

So far my most cool and ingenious form of death is a disease in which a congenital bacteria eats away the lymphatics for a very slow and painful death. :twisted:

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So far my most cool and ingenious form of death is a disease in which a congenital bacteria eats away the lymphatics for a very slow and painful death. :twisted:

Nice. :cool:

I have a carnivorous plant that kills it's victims by injecting it with an overdose of sedative. I think I have all the death basics for this down (thanks to Grace :D), but I might come back sometime to ask for specifics.

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Now that is cool, from a botany standpoint.

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I have a plant whose smell is poisonous. My Raechal use it as a death sentence for criminals; stake down or tie up the offender in a patch of these flowers and leave them until they die, then the plant feeds on them. :twisted:

Anyway, back to what I came here for ... :blush:

I have a rather odd circumstance involving one of Wyn's friends and my explanation doesn't quite cover what happens. Let's call him Eric. What happens is, Eric is in a battle, gets shot in the stomach/lower torso area and falls, but another man fights over Eric to protect him until he dies. When he falls his weight snaps the arrow that shot Eric. Eric's rescued afterward, but even though the arrow wound wasn't that serious he's determined not to live because he lost someone he loved in the battle. Several days pass, then all of a sudden they find out :o that the arrow was poisoned. All of a sudden they're sure he's going to die and they have to do something about it. Various events result, but my problem is with the sudden panic and the slow-acting poison that they didn't know about until too late. Is there some way to alter this so it makes more sense?

P.S. They save him. Sorry if this didn't make much sense. Ask me to explain more if you need to. :roll:

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Well it makes sense to me. They could patch up the stomach wound by packing it with various things (you can read up on that, what they pack into stomach wounds), and be fighting infection and fever, and then the fever breaks. Yay! But.. several symptoms which had been masked by the fever (hallucinations, maybe, or stiffness in the joints or pretty much anything actually) still remain. This gives them the clue that he was poisoned. So they get the arrow and double check it to discover that it really is poisoned. And so they panic because it took so long for them to realize it, and so they are afraid it's too late to administer the antidote. But it isn't. Only by a hair, of course, but that's obvious. ;)


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Thanks! Sorry I didn't reply. :P That sounds great. :D (Great for me, not for the character. ;) )

What would you say about a bad leg wound? (Left thigh, fairly high up on the outside of the leg, not near the artery, clean cut nearly to the bone) Would he lose a lot of blood? What if he had to walk on it, unbound? Is it a likely candidate for infection if he's in an environment with lots of people and dust? It's also very warm and he's got a sunburn and is dehydrated; would that affect it? Would it seal up or keep bleeding?

Before you ask, it's later magically healed, and he was taken prisoner on a forced march. :roll:

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So far my most cool and ingenious form of death is a disease in which a congenital bacteria eats away the lymphatics for a very slow and painful death. :twisted:


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I have a plant whose smell is poisonous. My Raechal use it as a death sentence for criminals; stake down or tie up the offender in a patch of these flowers and leave them until they die, then the plant feeds on them. :twisted:


I love this thread XD The evil smileys are killing me.


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 Post subject: Re: The Science of Death
PostPosted: January 29th, 2012, 8:58 pm 
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Y'all are having waaaay too much fun in here. I believe I'm watching the creativity of Holy Worlds at its finest . . . :rofl:
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Ciela Rose wrote:
Y'all are having waaaay too much fun in here. I believe I'm watching the creativity of Holy Worlds at its finest . . . :rofl:


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 Post subject: Re: The Science of Death
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Wow, I can't believe I never saw this before. I'm going to have a lot of catching up and note taking to do now. :roll:

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