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Lol. Ya'll are prolly going to think I'm crazy when I say that I dislike Eowyn.

Hm. I guess the reason that I don't like to read about Eowyn is she is the complete opposite of the woman I want to be... She's out to win fame for herself, she is overly bold, her disconentment with the role of supporting her Uncle and his vision. She's nothing like Arwen, who gently supports Aragorn, and is always there to be his help-meet.

On the other hand, maybe it's good for us to see those two sides in a book, so that we see the contrast...

Know what you mean. Eowyn is rebellious, but I'd rather be rebellious than subservient.

What you guys are saying must be why I love Eowyn and hate Arwen. Don't kick me off the forum, but I'm Eowyn through-and-through. Although I wouldn't say I'm out to get fame, I am outspoken (perhaps too) and very tomboy-ish. I can't stand Arwen. I appreciate her support of Aragorn, but it always seems like she's content with just staying home and like her abandoning her father is more important than Aragorn risking his life daily for Middle Earth.

I'm actually more like Eowyn, myself, but after reading those posts, I think what I don't like about her is her rebellious attitude. Yes, Arwen abandoned her people, but she also supports Aragorn. I'm sort of a hopeful romantic (yes, I intentionally typed "ful" instead of "less". Think about it

), so I tend to like people like that in books.

Sapphira wrote:

), so I tend to like people like that in books.

Arwen did not abandon her people. She chose one of her peoples. Aragorn was as much her family as the Elves (a fact not very well touched on in the movies). She had to choose one or the other, and to accept the Elvish immortality, she would have to reject Aragorn. That would have been as bad as rejecting her father. But in the end, she really did not reject either. The movie skipped out the fact that it was a great honor for her and her father for her to wed Aragorn. Elrond was glad that they wed: Aragorn was like a son to him anyways.

Author:	Willow Wenial Mimetes [ October 15th, 2009, 11:41 am ]
Post subject:	Lord of the Rings
So there had been some discussion about our favorite characters over in the Excerpts section and I wanted to post here. I saw Lord of the Rings at the ripe old age of 7 and my favorite character has always been Sam. He's the true hero in my opinion. Frodo never would have gotten anywhere without him, he's the voice of hope, and always there to support his master, and in the end he turns out to actually have more character in my opinion. I love the quote in the movie where Frodo asks, "And what hope do we fight for, Sam?" "That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for."

Author:	Liagiba [ October 15th, 2009, 4:58 pm ]
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I really love all the characters (except for Frodo), but my favorite is Legolas. He has such a magical quality to him that I can't help but admire him. I also love Pippin...he's funny, witty and eats a lot (like me). Gandalf and Aragorn are cool too...I have a few "Gandalf" characteristics (loud, in control, told you so, I'm always right) but I can't say I'm as wise as Gandalf. Usually my mouth is bigger than my brain. So, after that little bunny trail, my favorite character is Legolas! Sam's awesome too, though.

Author:	Willow Wenial Mimetes [ October 15th, 2009, 6:13 pm ]
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awww! Frodo isn't THAT bad. Elijah Wood just didn't do the best that he could have playing him. In the book, he's actually pretty...sympathetic.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 15th, 2009, 8:51 pm ]
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Yes, I agree he was a weakling in the movies. But I still don't like him as a character over all. I don't sympathize well with weakness (I mean like wimpiness, not faults. Those I definetly understand!)

Author:	Willow Wenial Mimetes [ October 16th, 2009, 6:51 am ]
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I don't think that many people really like it when a character is weak, but I'd be willing to bet that if Legolas had been the ring bearer, things wouldn't have worked out as well as they did. Frodo reminds me of 2 Corinthians 12:9: But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. No one is without weakness. I think if Frodo hasn't had some, then it would have ruined the book.

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Author:	Whythawye [ October 16th, 2009, 7:40 am ]
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In the book, Frodo was actually very very strong, but it was because of Gandalf and Sam, and because he was a hobbit. Sam was the reason he lived so long.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 16th, 2009, 7:50 am ]
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I agree. I guess I just lose patience (now that's a shock) with Frodo. I can really appreciate Sam and Gandalf a lot more than him.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 16th, 2009, 12:09 pm ]
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I just have to tell you guys a story. If you haven't already figured it out, I love LOTR. I've read the books twice in a year and a half, and my b-day was watching all three movies in a row. So my mother, brother and I read the books together. I loved them (and did most of the reading). Halfway through the Fellowship: Mom: Who is Mordor? Me & my bro die laughing Mom: Who is he? More laughing. Mom: You don't know do you! Finally, we ended up explaining that Mordor was a place, not a person. Classic.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 16th, 2009, 10:19 pm ]
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I don't care that Frodo's a hobbit; I don't like his personality, or his psycho-weirdness. If that makes sense. Maybe it's just personal taste.

Author:	Willow Wenial Mimetes [ October 17th, 2009, 6:40 pm ]
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LOL. Well, I get the part about his personality, and I wouldn't want him for a husband, but I think he's a lot more like the average, every day person than Legolas, or even Aragorn! (I guess I don't get where you're taking the 'psycho-weirdness' from though.)

Author:	Liagiba [ October 18th, 2009, 7:02 am ]
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It seemed to me like the ring "consumed" him so much that he was never the same again. That's the psycho-weirdness I was talking about.

Author:	Willow Wenial Mimetes [ October 18th, 2009, 12:46 pm ]
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Well...if you'd been through an experience where you were kidnapped by orcs, almost eaten by giant spiders, nearly tortured by a Nazgul, nearly starved, nearly discovered, kidnapped by a Barrow-wight, stabbed by a Morgul sword, etc...I don't think you'd be the same either... And the Ring DOES leave it's mark on people. I think that was part of Tolkien's point. We never truly escape sin, until we leave this earth. (or in Frodo's case Valinor)

Author:	Liagiba [ October 18th, 2009, 1:11 pm ]
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I hear what you're saying...but I still don't like him. I didn't even like him before he got the ring, I guess it's just a personality preference!

Author:	Duchess Daisy Mimetes [ October 19th, 2009, 7:18 am ]
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My family and I agree. Sam is the awesomest. Josiah was just over here talking about how great he was.

Author:	PrincessoftheKing [ October 19th, 2009, 4:10 pm ]
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Sam is definitely the best character. Frodo wouldn't have lasted half as long without Sam's loyal support. Eowyn comes in close second, though (from the movies, at least). LOL about Mordor, Liagiba! That sounds like something my dad would say! My parents tease about how many times I've read LOTR. My dad will look at me like I'm crazy when I hop in the car on the way to swim practice with The Two Towers in my hand again!

Author:	Willow Wenial Mimetes [ October 22nd, 2009, 4:28 pm ]
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If I come across as offensive, or too dogmatic, please tell me and help me to edit. I tend to get rather fired up on this. No girl has the right to be masculine. That is not what God created her to be. There is an enormous difference between being feminine, and being a girly-girl. Some people might call me a tomboy, because I love hunting with my Daddy, building boats with him, playing sports, and doing house repairs. But simply because I'm not a glamour puss doesn't mean I can't be feminine! 1 Peter 1:2-5 states "when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands." This is what Eowyn misses! She rightly despises the idea of a woman sitting at home knitting, and wasting her time with fashion, etc... But she fails to realize that sometimes, submitting, and supporting the man God has put into your life, is far more courageous, and takes far more strength than promoting your own agenda.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 19th, 2009, 5:22 pm ]
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I like Sam too, although he's not my favorite. I have a thing for elves, but I love Aragorn, Pippin, Eowyn & Gandalf too.

Author:	Arias Mimetes [ October 19th, 2009, 11:16 pm ]
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Haha, how funny. Everyone seems to prefer Sam over Frodo. Personally, Sam is my least favorite hobbit out of the four in the Fellowship. I know, he's basically the hero of the story, but I don't know... he's just not a charrie I like that well.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 20th, 2009, 1:03 pm ]
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I have to admit, Pippin's my favorite. My mouth is as big as his some time...and so is my appetite!

Author:	Willow Wenial Mimetes [ October 20th, 2009, 2:09 pm ]
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Lol. Ya'll are prolly going to think I'm crazy when I say that I dislike Eowyn.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 20th, 2009, 2:25 pm ]
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I definetly do. Is it because of Aragorn? Or why? She's not my favorite, but I still really like her; she's Merry's friend.

Author:	Arias Mimetes [ October 20th, 2009, 4:06 pm ]
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I love her style of not wanting to just be another female who bows to every guys' wish and doesn't want to sit and watch the war unfold without doing anything... but I don't know, she's definitely not one of my favorites either.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 20th, 2009, 5:15 pm ]
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Yes, I agree. She has guts, she's not melodramatic, and she's one of the characters that I can relate to. Even though I love Legolas, I really can't relate to him. After all, he is an elf. I can relate to Pippin's big mouth and Eowyn's rebellious, men can't do it all attitude.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 21st, 2009, 6:39 am ]
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Same here. I love elves, that's why I'm writing my new story...about an elf.

Author:	Whythawye [ October 21st, 2009, 7:47 am ]
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Mindy E. wrote: Lol. Ya'll are prolly going to think I'm crazy when I say that I dislike Eowyn. I dislike attributes of her. I like characters that have both bad and good qualities, like real people. The parts that I dislike in her annoy me terribly, but it turns out good in the end by her marrying Faramir.

Author:	Willow Wenial Mimetes [ October 21st, 2009, 10:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Lord of the Rings
Hm. I guess the reason that I don't like to read about Eowyn is she is the complete opposite of the woman I want to be... She's out to win fame for herself, she is overly bold, her disconentment with the role of supporting her Uncle and his vision. She's nothing like Arwen, who gently supports Aragorn, and is always there to be his help-meet. On the other hand, maybe it's good for us to see those two sides in a book, so that we see the contrast...

Author:	Whythawye [ October 21st, 2009, 11:35 am ]
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Mindy E. wrote: Hm. I guess the reason that I don't like to read about Eowyn is she is the complete opposite of the woman I want to be... She's out to win fame for herself, she is overly bold, her disconentment with the role of supporting her Uncle and his vision. She's nothing like Arwen, who gently supports Aragorn, and is always there to be his help-meet. On the other hand, maybe it's good for us to see those two sides in a book, so that we see the contrast... Exactly. Which is why I like the face that she learns her lesson in the end and marries Faramir.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 21st, 2009, 12:24 pm ]
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What you guys are saying must be why I love Eowyn and hate Arwen. Don't kick me off the forum, but I'm Eowyn through-and-through. Although I wouldn't say I'm out to get fame, I am outspoken (perhaps too) and very tomboy-ish. I can't stand Arwen. I appreciate her support of Aragorn, but it always seems like she's content with just staying home and like her abandoning her father is more important than Aragorn risking his life daily for Middle Earth.

Author:	Arias Mimetes [ October 21st, 2009, 2:23 pm ]
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I'm actually more like Eowyn, myself, but after reading those posts, I think what I don't like about her is her rebellious attitude. Yes, Arwen abandoned her people, but she also supports Aragorn. I'm sort of a hopeful romantic (yes, I intentionally typed "ful" instead of "less". Think about it ), so I tend to like people like that in books.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 21st, 2009, 9:27 pm ]
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Know what you mean. Eowyn is rebellious, but I'd rather be rebellious than subservient.

Author:	Whythawye [ October 22nd, 2009, 8:23 am ]
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Liagiba wrote: Know what you mean. Eowyn is rebellious, but I'd rather be rebellious than subservient. That really depends on the type of subservient you are talking about, and the type of rebellion that you are talking about. There is a form of both that is sinful, and there is a form of both that are necessary. The good kinds are not mutually exclusive either. Eowyn's problem was that she did not realize that, and it really messed her up.

Author:	Whythawye [ October 22nd, 2009, 8:29 am ]
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Liagiba wrote: What you guys are saying must be why I love Eowyn and hate Arwen. Don't kick me off the forum, but I'm Eowyn through-and-through. Although I wouldn't say I'm out to get fame, I am outspoken (perhaps too) and very tomboy-ish. I can't stand Arwen. I appreciate her support of Aragorn, but it always seems like she's content with just staying home and like her abandoning her father is more important than Aragorn risking his life daily for Middle Earth. Outspokenness and tomboyishness, if not counter to God's role for you, is fine. Eowyn did good, but she also did bad because of her mistaken views. Arwen was a hero as much as her: it was her banner that helped encourage Aragorn to do what needed to be done. Sorry for all my posts on this: I have a little bit of a passion about this.

Author:	Whythawye [ October 22nd, 2009, 8:30 am ]
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Sapphira wrote: I'm actually more like Eowyn, myself, but after reading those posts, I think what I don't like about her is her rebellious attitude. Yes, Arwen abandoned her people, but she also supports Aragorn. I'm sort of a hopeful romantic (yes, I intentionally typed "ful" instead of "less". Think about it ), so I tend to like people like that in books. Arwen did not abandon her people. She chose one of her peoples. Aragorn was as much her family as the Elves (a fact not very well touched on in the movies). She had to choose one or the other, and to accept the Elvish immortality, she would have to reject Aragorn. That would have been as bad as rejecting her father. But in the end, she really did not reject either. The movie skipped out the fact that it was a great honor for her and her father for her to wed Aragorn. Elrond was glad that they wed: Aragorn was like a son to him anyways.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 22nd, 2009, 1:08 pm ]
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Yes, I would agree that Eowyn's rebellion was a little over the top. The Rebelution is a "good" rebellion (against - duh - low expectations), and a bad rebellion would be agains your parents' authority. I meant by subsurvient like letting your interests, opinion and self be completely overrun. No kidding about the passion! I'm just leaving it that I don't like Frodo and Arwen and I do like Legolas, Gandalf, Pippin & Eowyn. wipes sweat from brow

Author:	Liagiba [ October 22nd, 2009, 4:36 pm ]
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I would agree that in the begginning Eowyn's attitude does have a masculine ring, but she learns quickly to be feminine and brave at the same time. I like Eowyn because of that struggle, the same struggle I go through day in day out. I am no prep, and don't want to be one. But at the same time, I don't want to be disgustingly masculine. I want to be a tomboy. I think Eowyn struggled with this too; with a more masculine-ish personality, she lost her femininity. Perhaps it is because of this struggle that I like her so much; her faults are real, and I can greatly appreciate them in my own life.

Author:	Liagiba [ October 22nd, 2009, 8:19 pm ]
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I don't know that Eowyn's mistake was as drastic as you're suggesting. I think that she did have an attitude, but at least it was an attitude that had a positive motive. I agree that at times she was too masculine, but that made her all the more endearing.