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| Author: | Captain Nemo Marlene [ May 27th, 2012, 7:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Memorial Day |
Here is a thread to honor what American troops have done, share stories about the men you know/know of who have been in the service, and just overall celebrate the day. Both of my grandfathers were a part of the army in WWII, though neither of them died during the war. My grandfather on my father's side was in the air force, if I remember correctly. Although he was injured in some way before a major battle, so that is one reason he did not die in the war. He was in the hospital. And my step-grandfather on my mom's side (though I consider him my blood grandfather) was a part of the ground forces, I believe. Although he was never deployed over seas. I wrote a report about him for history class, and so I am now sharing it here: My Grandfather in WWII wrote: My grandfather was a member of the army ground forces during World War II. He served first in Camp Wheeler. There, he said, the men learned how to live together and how to defend themselves. During his fourth week of training, he and the others were working on hand-to-hand combat, and he slipped on the clay, causing him to break his leg. While he was in the hospital, the attack on Pearl Harbor came. Many of the survivors were taken to the hospital he stayed in. The interesting thing was that my grandfather kept saying, “We.” Even though he was not at Pearl Harbor, he still considered himself as part of those who were there. It made me think that the sense of unity was much stronger then. He also remembered when the Italian moved to Africa, and stated the water literally turned to blood from the US’s troops. But he also remembers when we defeated the Italians, and said that was a great victory. When he got out of the hospital, he worked on building barges and a couple airplanes. He said that many think about what went on overseas, but a lot of stuff also happened in America. They had to build shipyards, training centers, and such. He said, “Self was put on the backburner.” People bonded together, as they all were worried about their family: those who would be affected by the war. He talked a lot about many other things. V-E day, the attack on Normandy, V-J day, and then stated that he had hardly mentioned anything at all. I could tell that there was so much more that could not even be put into the words, and the emotion that had stayed with him through the years impacted me greatly. It was neat seeing the war through a personal level instead of a general overview. It made it seem much more like a real event. I learned that people tend to bond in a time of need, especially when it affects so many people. He said people found a purpose. It seemed the war gave everyone a common focus. I think I find this time so interesting is because of how others worked together to help others, not themselves. There was so much sacrifice. The soldiers were heroes, as were those who stayed on the home-front in their own ways. So, what about y'all? Do you have stories of your grandparents during any of the wars? How about your parents? (Come on, Airi. I know you probably have stuff to share. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ May 27th, 2012, 8:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
*smiles * You are a Love, Nemo, and helped brighten my day. I am a 4th generation Military brat, and all 4 men were marines who left the service with high honors. My Daddy was medically separated from the service after 15 years, so memorial day, the 4th of July, and the Marine's birthday, are big days to me. Also, Cassie's (you know, the unofficially adopted child) dad (well, step dad) was a Marine as well. He too was medically separated from service when his leg was torn up from shrapnel in Desert Storm. Being a Military brat, I can say that the families of the men in service truly are amazing. Civilians do not realize it, but our service men and their loved ones give up a lot, and sacrifice daily so that we might live in freedom. There are many things I miss about being the daughter of an active duty serviceman. The Marine family is one of the tightest knit groups you will ever meet. We still keep in contact with many men, some of whom are even now overseas, who served with my Daddy. But it is not an easy life. So there are many things I do not miss. Don’t ever forget, guys, that we live the way we do because of those who have served, and continue to serve. It’s easy to forget. And write letters!!! You would be amazed at how much encouragement your letter sent over to an active duty serviceman can be!!!! |
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| Author: | Elijah McGowan [ May 27th, 2012, 9:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
My Dad, my Dad's Dad, My future father-in-law, and his Dad, have all served in various branches of the military. I plan on doing so too, going through ROTC. My Dad served two tours of service in Iraq, and one in Kosovo, for a total time of separation from our family of about two and a half years. My grandfather's brother, my great uncle, was killed in WWII, during the first hours of the Battle of the Bulge, in late 1944. He was located in Sadzot, a tiny town that is merely a collection of farm buildings, in Belgium. He was located nearly precisely where the tip of the arrow of advancing German troops broke through Allied lines. In the summer of 2003, my grandparents flew over from Nashville, TN, to where my family lived in Germany, and took my brother and I on a trip to Normandy, where my grandfather's brother had landed, to retrace his steps all the way to where he was killed. And so we sat in that tiny collection of buildings. And we talked with an old man who had hid in the woods as a boy during the attack. And he showed us the house Uncle Jesse had been killed in, which was burnt to the ground during the battle. We stood on the foundation, and even took a brick home with us. That was the only day I ever saw my grandfather, a very strong man, a pastor, break down and cry. |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ May 28th, 2012, 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Great thread! I was wondering if there would be a thread for this on HW today. Airianna Mimetes wrote: Military brat What? I've heard that term from you several times now and I can't keep from asking what you mean any longer! Dr. W. Eli McGowan wrote: My Dad, my Dad's Dad, My future father-in-law, and his Dad, have all served in various branches of the military. I plan on doing so too, going through ROTC. My Dad served two tours of service in Iraq, and one in Kosovo, for a total time of separation from our family of about two and a half years. My grandfather's brother, my great uncle, was killed in WWII, during the first hours of the Battle of the Bulge, in late 1944. He was located in Sadzot, a tiny town that is merely a collection of farm buildings, in Belgium. He was located nearly precisely where the tip of the arrow of advancing German troops broke through Allied lines. In the summer of 2003, my grandparents flew over from Nashville, TN, to where my family lived in Germany, and took my brother and I on a trip to Normandy, where my grandfather's brother had landed, to retrace his steps all the way to where he was killed. And so we sat in that tiny collection of buildings. And we talked with an old man who had hid in the woods as a boy during the attack. And he showed us the house Uncle Jesse had been killed in, which was burnt to the ground during the battle. We stood on the foundation, and even to a brick home with us. That was the only day I ever saw my grandfather, a very strong man, a pastor, break down and cry. Wow, that is fascinating, sad, and...some other things I can't quite put my finger on. It's neat that you got to go there. Um...I know a guy from Church (the church that is no longer in existence) that was in the special forces type thing...I don't know what it was called, but he had some interesting stories to tell...unfortunately I've only heard like one of them. Also my grandpa was in the Navy during the Cuban Missile Crisis. And another guy from the same church is in Korea doing something related to radio communications. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ May 28th, 2012, 8:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
*laughs * Are you from a civilian family, Wolf? The term is used to describe the children of servicemen, and actually has a historic base. See, a long time ago, when we didn’t have the technology we do now, the children of men in the service would often go long periods of time never seeing their fathers. As we can see in our society today, the absence of fathers often has devastating consequences on children. The children of these men grew up unruly, as a general rule, and in some cases were holy terrors. Thus, the term was born out of the brat-like qualities exhibited by the military children. Today it is used as a term of endearment, often said by the fathers themselves. My Daddy has referred to me as a military brat (because of course, I was born into the lifestyle and lived longest in it out of all the children) for as long as I can remember. The friends I grew up with were also referred to as such. So while it could be seen as a negative thing, I’ve never met a military brat who took offence. |
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| Author: | Elijah McGowan [ May 28th, 2012, 11:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Right, it's a term that brings with it quite a lot of pride today. It's saying we traveled the world with our parents, we sacrificed them. We were part of it, grew up in that culture, and know it. My Dad's been in the Army for nearly 15 years... I'm only 19... so yeah... I know it. xD |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ May 29th, 2012, 1:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Airianna Mimetes wrote: *laughs * Are you from a civilian family, Wolf? Yeah... Airianna Mimetes wrote: The term is used to describe the children of servicemen, and actually has a historic base. See, a long time ago, when we didn’t have the technology we do now, the children of men in the service would often go long periods of time never seeing their fathers. As we can see in our society today, the absence of fathers often has devastating consequences on children. The children of these men grew up unruly, as a general rule, and in some cases were holy terrors. Thus, the term was born out of the brat-like qualities exhibited by the military children. Today it is used as a term of endearment, often said by the fathers themselves. My Daddy has referred to me as a military brat (because of course, I was born into the lifestyle and lived longest in it out of all the children) for as long as I can remember. The friends I grew up with were also referred to as such. So while it could be seen as a negative thing, I’ve never met a military brat who took offence. Oh...that explains a lot... I get it now, thanks for the explanation, Airi! Come to think of it, I think I've heard the term before...but then maybe that's something in my brain misfiring...
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ May 29th, 2012, 4:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
I never knew that about that term, Airi. |
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| Author: | Lady Katharina [ May 29th, 2012, 6:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Very good idea, Captain! I don't have much to tell since the few family members I know of being in the military don't talk about it or are now dead. I have a great uncle who fought in Vietnam and a cousin who was deployed to Afghanistan a couple of times. My cousin was a Chaplain's assistant so I don't think he really was in the line of fire, but I could be wrong. Airianna Mimetes wrote: Today it is used as a term of endearment, often said by the fathers themselves. My Daddy has referred to me as a military brat (because of course, I was born into the lifestyle and lived longest in it out of all the children) for as long as I can remember. The friends I grew up with were also referred to as such. So while it could be seen as a negative thing, I’ve never met a military brat who took offence. I have a friend (Mom's age) who was a "military brat" and calls herself one. Although, from the way I heard it from her, she actually was a brat until she met her husband who helped tame her a bit |
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| Author: | Elly [ May 29th, 2012, 7:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
My Dad's older friend (and also our neighbor) was in the Vietnam War. He was shot through the shoulder and got a Purple Heart. My grandmother was in the Navy. |
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| Author: | AzlynRose [ May 29th, 2012, 8:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Happy memorial day, Americans! *Throws red and white glitter* Oops, I better add some blue in there too. I knew what a military brat meant from reading historical and contemporary novels. |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ May 29th, 2012, 8:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
*enjoys watching red white and blue glitter swirl around*
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ May 29th, 2012, 9:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
It's lovely, and so important, to remember these days. |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ May 29th, 2012, 9:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: It's lovely, and so important, to remember these days. Yes, it is. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ May 29th, 2012, 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Quote: Right, it's a term that brings with it quite a lot of pride today. It's saying we traveled the world with our parents, we sacrificed them. We were part of it, grew up in that culture, and know it. That is a very good way of putting that, Eli. *high fives * That really does sum up what the term means to a MB and their families. I'm glad I could help enlighten, Elanor. I love talking about this kind of stuff... |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ May 29th, 2012, 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Lycanis Mimetes wrote: Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: It's lovely, and so important, to remember these days. Yes, it is. Very much so. |
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ May 29th, 2012, 1:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
For our memorial day Kathy wrote this poem, so I thought I'd share it on this thread, it fits with remembering etc. 'Tis a sad poem. Kathy wrote: Darkness reigns with vengeful glare,
Bodies are lying everywhere; Crashes of shells and the chatter of guns Sightless I stagger; trying to run. ****! I hear somebody yell; Was he there at prayers? I cannot tell But screams and cries make me think I’m in hell I seek cover from the falling shell. I see his body lifeless there Legs blown off and splattered through the air; Face contorted in a silent scream; I hope that I will wake from this dream. Bullets are zipping through the air Blood is flowing everywhere; Boys are dying on the floor. Please God, I can’t bear any more. What will happen to my wife? Will she have a happy life? Will my son remember his Daddy’s face? Will he remember the day we --- * * * * Somewhere where the field was green, Countless white crosses were to be seen. She placed a single poppy where he lay; But never really knew what he saw that day. |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ May 29th, 2012, 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Wow... |
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| Author: | Captain Nemo Marlene [ May 29th, 2012, 1:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Wow... that is... wow. Very impacting. Thank you for sharing that, Elanor. That really does sum up the day really well. By the way, if anyone has noticed this thread and would like to still share things, please feel free. We can continue this thread for a while, even though the day has officially passed. |
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| Author: | Elijah McGowan [ May 29th, 2012, 6:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Azlyn Mimetes wrote: Happy memorial day, Americans! *Throws red and white glitter* Oops, I better add some blue in there too. Tricksy Canadian trying to leave out the blue. Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: It's lovely, and so important, to remember these days. Absolutely. Humans are so forgetful... Airianna Mimetes wrote: Quote: Right, it's a term that brings with it quite a lot of pride today. It's saying we traveled the world with our parents, we sacrificed them. We were part of it, grew up in that culture, and know it. That is a very good way of putting that, Eli. *high fives * That really does sum up what the term means to a MB and their families. I'm glad I could help enlighten, Elanor. I love talking about this kind of stuff... *High fives back!* Thanks. Oh yes... the more we talk, the better. The more we remember, the better. |
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| Author: | Lady Katharina [ May 29th, 2012, 7:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Wow, Elanor! That poem is so powerful! Thank you for sharing. |
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| Author: | Elijah McGowan [ May 29th, 2012, 9:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Nice Elanor! I like the ending... |
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| Author: | Ciela Rose [ May 29th, 2012, 10:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
That poem! Oh wow, I actually teared up. That was so heart-wrenching and beautiful and . . . sad. I can't believe I'm crying. I'm so glad we're keeping this thread active. I totally missed Memorial Day; Dad was home all day, and we just lived a normal family day. It was sweet. *is still sniffling* I hope you don't mind me rambling . . . Anyway, my dad was deployed to Afganistan six or seven years ago; I remember being scared at first, but . . . I never really doubted he'd come home. And he did, safe and sound. He even managed to get leave for Christmas. I tell you, that was the best Christmas Day of my life; when separation was very real to me, but he was there. It was a beautiful day. I think the most amazing Memorial Day I remember was when we were in Normandy. We went to Omaha beach, and our parents were describing what had happened on D-Day. We visited the cemetery (I can't remember the name) where a bunch of our soldiers were buried . . . there were so many tombstones. I was only eight or nine at the time, but I remember a feeling of deep sobriety. I was especially proud that my dad got promoted to Major, in Normandy. There was an old WWII veteran who had parachuted in on D-Day; he pinned on my dad's maple leaves for him. I really wish I could remember his name; I have to ask my mom. Even at that age, I felt a deep gratitude for all those dead soldiers and old veterans. Anyway, those are the tired ramblings of an Army Brat. I wish I had found this thread earlier . . . I hope I didn't bore anyone. :-P |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ May 29th, 2012, 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Ciela Tsana Mimetes wrote: I hope you don't mind me rambling . . . Thank you for sharing. |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ May 29th, 2012, 10:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Jonathan Garner wrote: Ciela Tsana Mimetes wrote: I hope you don't mind me rambling . . . Thank you for sharing. Yes, thank you. |
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| Author: | AzlynRose [ May 30th, 2012, 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Dr. W. Eli McGowan wrote: Azlyn Mimetes wrote: Happy memorial day, Americans! *Throws red and white glitter* Oops, I better add some blue in there too. Tricksy Canadian trying to leave out the blue. |
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| Author: | Elijah McGowan [ May 30th, 2012, 12:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Ciela - that's awesome! I was going to say "Wow, I've been at that same beach, same place, we've been at the same location", and then I realized who you were, and I was like "Oh. Well. We've been at the same location more than once." That is reallllllly cool though. So cool. And yeah... I really feared for my Dad's life a lot during his '08-'09 deployment to Iraq... I remember going to sleep at night knowing he was waking up in Mosul, and gearing up to patrol the streets in his MRAP armored vehicle, operating the 50 Cal. gun on the roof. He's a logistics officer, and he was supposed to be advising his Iraqi police counterparts, but, they don't have a functional logistics system in Iraq... it's called "beg off the Americans". |
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| Author: | Elly [ May 30th, 2012, 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
It wasn't boring in the least, Ciela. |
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| Author: | Aldara [ June 3rd, 2012, 7:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Happy late Memorial Day to you all. I'll share a mini-story. I didn't have close family in the army. However, when I was in France I visited the landing beaches and the cemeteries of the American and Canadian soldiers. It was really a sad sight, rows upon rows of white crosses. The Canadian one was different -it had personal messages on the tombstones, and which province they were from and all. But it was really sad. At the same time, there was lots of pride. It's also quite neat to be able to share holidays from other countries, even though we celebrate Remembrance Day on November 11th here, instead. |
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| Author: | Mistress Kidh [ June 7th, 2012, 5:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Some of my kin went through the war...but we do not have many stories. They did not wish to talk about it. It hurt them. We must remember...that even those who did not die sacrificed so much. |
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| Author: | Ciela Rose [ June 7th, 2012, 8:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Lady Rwebhu Kidh wrote: Some of my kin went through the war...but we do not have many stories. They did not wish to talk about it. It hurt them. We must remember...that even those who did not die sacrificed so much. So right, Rwebhu . . . So, according to my mom, yesterday was the anniversary of D-Day, I think. Imagine; the day that turned the tide of the war. And the veteran's name was Wallace Swanson. Thanks, guys. It's really been amazing reading everyone's stories. |
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| Author: | Elijah McGowan [ June 7th, 2012, 10:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Oy. I meant to observe D-Day, having had a relative^ land on the beaches that first day. Oh well. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ June 10th, 2012, 8:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
I know several people who do not talk about Vietnam, most especially. Our men had so much psychological damage done to them during that war.... |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ June 10th, 2012, 10:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Airianna Mimetes wrote: I know several people who do not talk about Vietnam, most especially. Our men had so much psychological damage done to them during that war.... I know...it's I think one of the saddest affects of war--the ones that take people alive and trap them in unimaginable difficulty until they die...and they do that for us while some of us say how sinful it is for them to be in wars (well, maybe not many, but I know a boy that thinks that way), and others who show their "appreciation" by protesting the wars... *shakes head* I can't imagine going through such turmoil for people and knowing that they hate me for it (even though the hate isn't directed individually or anything). Praise God for our troops and the way they are able to protect us. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ June 10th, 2012, 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
*nods * No one said fighting for freedom was right. Freedom is not free. |
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ June 10th, 2012, 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
My Grandad had some terrible scars, and he would never tell us how he got them, or talk about the war or anything like that. It's good to not forget, and remember them because they gave so much. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ June 10th, 2012, 4:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Amen. |
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