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Author:  Whythawye [ March 22nd, 2011, 11:32 am ]
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Greetings,

I have something to share with you, that has been on my heart and mind for a long time. After much prayer and preparation, I want to present some information to you, that will dramatically improve our community here, even beyond where we are now. I am asking that you take it to heart and implement it into you actions, not only on the forums, but also in your life. It is worth it.

I did not invent anything I say here. I have learned it from men and women who are experts in communication and relationships. What I have integrated into my life has changed it powerfully for the better, and played a large part in my successes. Some of what I say here is paraphrased, some quoted directly from a book called Communication Catalyst, by Mickey Connolly and Richard Rianoshek. I wish I could make that book required reading for everyone I know, but I can only give it the highest recommendation.

Communication drives life, and if used properly, can exponentiate success in every area of your life.

True communication is a network of conversations, linking separate lives into a larger system.

A true conversation is a language cycle that causes perception, meaning, action, and learning. Think about that. If a conversation does not bring those into existence or furthers their progress, it has not fulfilled its purpose. That is its goal, and should be ours. A forum is a place of conversations, and so this is vitally important to us.

Any conversation can be measured, indicating how well it is working towards those goals. I will show you all a meter by which you can measure conversations.

Any conversation fits into one of four quadrants, measured as 0-25, 26-50, 51-75, and 76-100, like on a speedometer. It is, in fact, very much like a speedometer. The higher the number, the faster, the more efficiently, and the more effectively you are traveling towards your goals and bringing about value.

High numbers are good.

So what are these four kinds of conversations?

We can call them with four names: Pretense, Sincerity, Accuracy, and Authenticity. Most people use the first two, and don't even know about the existence of the last two. But those last two, accuracy and authenticity, are our goals: those are where we want to be.

Pretense is lying, evading, and withholding information.

Sincerity is honest, untested opinion masquerading as reality.

Accuracy separates observable facts from explanations of those facts (interpretations and opinions), and then compares the different possible explanations to find value.

Authenticity reveals previously hidden value at the intersection of someone else's view and your own (not compromise: contribution).

Most people would want to think that they use accuracy, but in reality, most people are using sincerity at best. Some people even think that authenticity is either impossible or undesirable.

I can't go super in-depth into these kinds of conversations, but if you want to learn more, feel more than free to ask, and I will do my best to help you. :)

What I do want to focus on, though, is a contrast between sincerity and authenticity.

While sincerity does its absolute best to present its best ideas and help to a community, it does not work with other people to find out where its purposes and ideas intersect with theirs. If you do this, seeking to find common ground and building off of that, new ideas arise that are better than what either of you can come up with on your own. Trust me on that. Haha. It does not require compromise, it does not require giving up anything: it just requires you to think outside yourself.

If you can realize that other people have a different perspective than you, value that other perspective, and seek to find out how you can benefit them and yourself at once in the same act, then you have gained a level of maturity rarely achieved by anyone in this world.

I have seen this kind of maturity in this community. I have seen people working together, seeking to learn, and contributing to work in synergy, and it inspires me. It is a powerful blessing. That is why I am talking about this, to help us improve, and move on to the next level. I know that you can learn from this, and benefit from it.

I sincerely believe this community has one of the best forums in the world. But I don't believe we have reached the full potential that God has for us here. We can do better, and I want to encourage you to put in that extra effort to excel even more. I would like to impart to you some of the huge blessings that God has taught me.

I believe you can take it and use it to great advantage.

This is only the beginning of a series of things I am going to be doing in Holy Worlds, connected with this. And this post is only the first post in a thread that I hope to become an interactive conversation between us talking about these tools. I want you to ask questions, and we can work back and forth to learn more about this.

:)

Author:  Rachel Newhouse [ March 22nd, 2011, 12:06 pm ]
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I am stewing over this. All I can say for now is that I've never heard it put into words, but now that you've explained it, I'm convicted of something I knew was there but didn't know how to explain.

I speak with "sincerity," in this definition, about 90% of the time. I'm very confident in what I say and I almost always have an opinion to add to something, regardless of my expertise in the area. I've gathered that people (no one specific - just in general) think I know what I'm doing, that they regard me as intelligent, when in reality I don't know anything. I'm fairly inexperienced in the long haul, and most of my opinions are just that - intuition and "gut feeling."

That may be acceptable for writing advice on an everyday basis, but other times it can backfire. I sound completely confident, only for the next post on the thread to prove me wrong, either with a bit of info I hadn't considered, or by reminding me that I hadn't researched before posting. It's a communication issue, a false impression I give because I am outgoing with not enough humility. It's pride. (Seems to me a lot of faults can ultimately be traced back to pride. :P)

I've sensed this problem before, but I didn't know how to put it into words until now.

I will be thinking and praying on that. In the meantime, I will say that your last challenging post of encouragement changed my life by changing the way I view my words (particularly my forum posts), and I don't expect any less this time. God bless you, Jay.

Author:  Airianna Valenshia [ March 22nd, 2011, 12:52 pm ]
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As always, Jay, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Thank you for this gift.

Author:  Camille Esther [ March 22nd, 2011, 2:45 pm ]
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I enjoyed that. And I agree a lot with Philidelphia. Thanks for the admonition/encouragement!

Author:  Arianllyn [ March 22nd, 2011, 5:50 pm ]
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Definitely something to chew on..... But I think my pride is making it a bit more difficult to chew. I know I cover all four of the categories (ouch!) at different times, but I can't say which I use the most. I'm probably (in my not-always-so-humble opinion) about a 50.5. :)

Author:  Lady Elanor [ March 22nd, 2011, 6:03 pm ]
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Thank you for this, Jay. It really made me think and that's good! It's challenged me in a good way so thank you. God bless!

Author:  BushMaid [ March 22nd, 2011, 6:25 pm ]
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Arianllyn wrote:
Definitely something to chew on..... But I think my pride is making it a bit more difficult to chew. I know I cover all four of the categories (ouch!) at different times, but I can't say which I use the most. I'm probably (in my not-always-so-humble opinion) about a 50.5. :)


I know what you mean, Arianllyn. I feel the same way.

Author:  Kiev Shawn [ March 22nd, 2011, 8:14 pm ]
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Thank you, Jay. I'm still "chewing on it", but I plan to post my thoughts when I have worked through this.

Author:  Andrew Amnon Mimetes [ March 23rd, 2011, 5:50 pm ]
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Thanks for this, Jay. I've been offline so I'm somewhat overwhelmed, but I will chew on this :)

eruheran

Author:  Elanhil [ March 23rd, 2011, 6:54 pm ]
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Wow, I'm glad to know that there's more coming. :) I look forward to it.

I admit that I hadn't really ever given any thought to the second two categories. I always thought you could either be honest or not. Now you have me striving for more perfection. I now want to be more open and honest with my friends...I feel that now if I just reach 26-50 that I'm not going to be giving them all they deserve.

It's hard to put into words. I guess what I'm trying to say is before I thought one could only make it to 50. Now that I am aware of the other two categories I want to get there.

Now you've got me feeling kinda sorta guilty. ;)

Author:  BushMaid [ March 23rd, 2011, 7:23 pm ]
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*returns, ponders thoughtfully whilst typing*

Accuracy is hard for me to pinpoint. I do believe that in every instance there is an accurate answer or reason. However, some things I deeply and truly believe to be accurate, others may not; believing something different to be deeply and truly accurate. So where can we accurately use the word "accurate"?

I believe the way I communicate my thoughts is generally sincere, but I also have a genuine desire to hear and understand the thoughts and beliefs of others to better my own understanding. Is it possible to be both sincere and authentic?

If I'm stating the blindingly obvious or missing the basic point here, I'm sorry, I'm very good at that. :blush:

Author:  Camille Esther [ March 25th, 2011, 3:02 pm ]
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Well, authentic is sincere, but with an added level, I think. The added level is the wanting to understand the other side, I believe...

Author:  Elanhil [ March 26th, 2011, 10:36 am ]
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BushMaid wrote:
So where can we accurately use the word "accurate"?
:rofl:

Author:  PrincessoftheKing [ March 26th, 2011, 11:01 am ]
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Thank you for posting this, Jay. It definitely challenged me in a very good way. :)

Author:  BushMaid [ March 26th, 2011, 5:57 pm ]
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Elanhil wrote:
BushMaid wrote:
So where can we accurately use the word "accurate"?
:rofl:


*laughing* Yes, sorry! I was waiting for someone to pick up on my want for a better word! :roll:

Author:  Elanhil [ March 27th, 2011, 7:38 am ]
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BushMaid wrote:
Elanhil wrote:
BushMaid wrote:
So where can we accurately use the word "accurate"?
:rofl:


*laughing* Yes, sorry! I was waiting for someone to pick up on my want for a better word! :roll:
You could say 'correctly' but I think it's fine how it is... :D

Author:  Elijah McGowan [ April 1st, 2011, 2:21 pm ]
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Jay, since as you said yourself, the concept isn't yours, and since there is nothing new under the sun, could I steal this and present it to my advisors in the "Circle" over at the PCL community, attributing it to you of course?

Author:  Whythawye [ April 2nd, 2011, 2:06 am ]
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Eli McGowan wrote:
Jay, since as you said yourself, the concept isn't yours, and since there is nothing new under the sun, could I steal this and present it to my advisors in the "Circle" over at the PCL community, attributing it to you of course?


Yes, that would be glorious. I wish I could get everyone to learn about it.

I am sorry I haven't posted more, this week has been insane. My next post in here will be to expand on what exactly Pretense is. There is more to it than just not being truthful.

Author:  Timothy B [ April 2nd, 2011, 8:27 am ]
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Sir Emeth Mimetes wrote:
Pretense is lying, evading, and withholding information.

Sincerity is honest, untested opinion masquerading as reality.

Accuracy separates observable facts from explanations of those facts (interpretations and opinions), and then compares the different possible explanations to find value.

Authenticity reveals previously hidden value at the intersection of someone else's view and your own (not compromise: contribution).


Could you possibly give some examples of what each form of communication looks like in-conversation?

Author:  Timotheus [ April 9th, 2011, 11:01 pm ]
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I just posted a podcast where Jay explains the roles within this system and how it will apply to Triterrus (here). The first half hour is a summary of the roles, and then the rest of the 1hr:20 min show is on roles in Triterrus.

Author:  Whythawye [ July 7th, 2011, 4:36 am ]
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There are four things that can cripple your communication without you knowing

And communication makes or breaks everything you do. Everything.

So this might be a little bit important to you (and to everyone around you), maybe. I don't know. You'll have to decide that for yourself. ;)

If you remember my original post on this thread, there are four levels of communication that work like a gradient from Devastatingly Crippling to Explosively Empowering. Most people work in the first two levels almost exclusively, only breaking out into the higher forms by accident now and then -- unless they have invested loads of time and thought and training into developing the skills necessary to deliberately avoid the toxic airs of the first two and live in the fresh, catalysing airs of the second two.

I want to teach you about those first two, at least right now. Why? Because you need to start somewhere; because the rest is too big for this article (it will be coming soon, though, don't worry); and because they are the foundation for every improvement you can make in communication.

I can't even aspire to the herculean attempt it would take to exhaustively elaborate the entire depth and breadth of even this vastly smaller scope, though. I am here merely to show you something – something simple, something small, something you can do right now. The whole art and science of communication will have to wait. ;)

If you haven't read my original post recently, go read it now, seriously. I am building on what I said in there, and although this post will help you even if you haven't read the other one, it will make a whole lot more sense. So go read it. One... two... three... Go.

So here I go! ...you may need to hold onto your hat.

The first two levels of communication are Pretense and Sincerity (last chance to read the other post!), as you should remember. ;) The last two are Accuracy and Authenticity. There is one, huge, fundamental difference between these two halves of the communication spectrum, and that difference is what I am going to spend all my time in this post talking about.

The difference is a little thing called bioreaction.

I am guessing you probably have never heard that word before this moment, at least in this context, which is fine 'cause this definition isn't in the dictionaries yet. I didn't make it up, the Communication Catalyst guys did. And it really does make a lot of sense.

Bioreaction is basically a biological system that has a single goal in mind: deal with threats fast.

That's it. And that is really a super valuable system to have, especially if someone leaps out of nowhere at you and slashes at you with a knife. You need to respond fast. And the normal system the brain uses for making decisions is waaaaay to slow for what is needed. So what the brain has is a special spot devoted solely to this function: it is called the amygdala.

What this bit of your brain does is filter outside input for perceived threats, and as soon as it sees one, take command of the brain and choose one of four options for a rapid response. It is lightning fast at this (well probably faster than lightning, but you get the idea).

But here is the thing: it has only four options. Which makes sense... it can't be spending time filtering through all the millions of possible reactions to pick just the right one. So it has four preprogrammed premises for action that it chooses from.

These premises for reaction to perceived threats are: Fight, Flee, Freeze, and Appease.

Simple, right? Perfectly simple. God is really good at designing these things. So basically what the amygdala does is takes a perceived threat and evaluates it based on these four options to figure out which would best deal with it.

For example: if a big huge guy leaps out of nowhere and slashes at you with a knife.

Appease is out – the guy is already committed to the attack, and no time to hand him a cookie.

Freeze is out – that knife would plow through you like butter.

Fight is out – taking on that giant would probably get you killed worse than before (if that is possible).

So obviously the best recourse is to flee the scene at rates exceeding human probability. It's your best shot at living.

See how this works? Handy, isn't it?

But notice how I have been saying perceived threats this whole time? There is a reason for that. See, the amygdala can't actually know if something is a threat or not until after it has already passed. Which isn't the right time to respond to it. So it has to guess based on your experience and filters whether or not something is a threat, and then act on that perception of reality.

The problem is when it is wrong. When it thinks something is a threat... and it really isn't.

This happens all the time in communication. Why? Well because in communication you are opening up a part of yourself to the other person. It is a fundamental and inescapable fact of every relationship you have. That in and of itself can be perceived as a threat to some people (stage fright, anyone?). But if someone does something that happens to look even the slightest like an attack on you as a person, it doesn't matter if it was intentional or accidental, real or fake, true or false – the amygdala will pick up on it and limit your whole brain to those four options: fight, flee, freeze, or appease.

None of which are going to help in the slightest to resolve the perceived conflict.

Conversations are a work of collaboration and sharing of mutual value, not a fight. And even if someone is attacking you, the four bioreactive responses aren't going to make it better – they will almost inevitably make it worse!

Not good.

Those first two levels of communication, Pretense and Sincerity, are built on bioreactive responses. That is why they are so damaging to your effectiveness and to your friendships... and to your friends.

Pretense is where there is a direct conflict between what you think and what you are saying and doing. Generally this is characterized by things like lying, evading, and withholding information. These actions come directly from the motivations of fighting, fleeing, freezing, and appeasing. Most people who do these things aren't being malicious at all (they might not even be conscious of it at all): they are merely defending themselves. Mistakenly, yes, but mistakes are common and easily forgivable.

So if someone is behaving with these towards you, first forgive them, and then choose to not respond in kind with a bioreactive response of your own!

Sincerity is pretty much the most common place for people to reside in. People think it is a good place. They justify it in tons of ways (often defensively, with bioreactions, haha). And honestly, I don't blame them. Getting sincerity from someone is a huge blessing (it's loads better than pretense), and expecting more borders on meanness (accuracy and authenticity are a ton of work to develop).

But it still isn't the best, and it still cripples your success. Teams can function on sincerity, yes, and so can friendships. But they are walking on ice. Their boat is leaking. They are up a stream without a paddle. Okay I'll stop. :P :D

Sincerity is an honest report accompanied by the conviction that what you believe to be true is true. Basically it is untested opinion pretending to be reality.

Just like the amygdala, isn't it? It responds to perceptions as if they were real, and then acts on them without testing to see if it is right. Good for some situations – bad for communication. The idea of someone who is sincere is to be honest and defend their honest position.

The problem is that value isn't being generated, and people get hurt and opportunities get lost forever. Why? Because opinions isolated from the experience and learning of others is crippled in its search for truth. You don't want to be wrong, and so you don't learn. And in the process of bioreactively defending your position, you trigger other people's amygdalas, and you create an atmosphere of defensive animosity rather than one of collaborative friendship.

Not. Good.

So what do you do? Well the first step is to start noticing when your amygdala fires up, and then take your brain back over from it, so you can choose to learn rather than spit out a bioreaction. This takes a lot of practice, but it is completely worth it.

Basically you just need to ask a question that the amygdala can't answer. Train yourself to notice the signals that a bioreactive decision is being made (for example: your jaw might clench, your eyes look at a certain corner of your eye, certain phrases go through your head, or you start to use one of the bioreactive responses), and then introduce a consideration beyond the amygdala's scope.

Such as purpose. Or value. Ask yourself what your fundamental purpose is that you are there for, and then ask what would be the most valuable thing you can do in this situation towards that end. Ask yourself what purpose the other person is there for, and then look for a way to provide value to both his and your purposes.

That's deep. That's tough. That is transforming. It will explode your potential and the potential of everyone around you. Try it!

And yes, again, I wasn't able to really go as deep as I would have liked to, but again, you get to ask questions. So have at it. ;)

P.S. I wrote this for my blog too, so it will be coming live on there next week. :)

Author:  Bethany Faith [ July 7th, 2011, 6:18 am ]
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Heehee. *likes learning about the flight or fight system in the mind*

Great post, Emeth! Thanks for taking the time to write that out! :D

Author:  Whythawye [ July 7th, 2011, 6:22 am ]
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You are welcome! Handy for writing too, isn't it? :D

Author:  Bethany Faith [ July 7th, 2011, 6:24 am ]
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Sir Emeth Mimetes wrote:
Handy for writing too, isn't it? :D


Yes, very handy! :D

Author:  Timotheus [ July 7th, 2011, 8:06 am ]
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So, in short, when someone offends you, think of the value in their position before responding with a knee-jerk reaction. Did I get the gist of this? I see some value in such a verbose explanation of this principle, but I'd get more out of a more precise summary illustrated with examples. That's just how my mind works though. I prefer the shortest route to the prize, even though, ironically, my mind and mouth don't work that well together in producing that for others ;)

Author:  Whythawye [ July 7th, 2011, 8:57 am ]
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That is one application of the principles I was talking about, yes. It goes far beyond that, however, which is why I went into as much depth as I did.

Being offended is one kind of perceived threat, but people often perceive threats without being offended. This is because taking offense is only one bioreactive response: someone can also choose to simply stand firm on what they were doing without seeking to learn, thus being sincere, while still being bioreactive and not offended.

Communication is a complex subject. :)

Author:  Timotheus [ July 7th, 2011, 9:00 am ]
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Thank you for clarifying. I get lost in the language sometimes and need to reflect my understanding in order for you to help show what I'm missing.

That it is.

Author:  Whythawye [ July 7th, 2011, 9:02 am ]
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Timotheus wrote:
Thank you for clarifying. I get lost in the language sometimes and need to reflect my understanding in order for you to help show what I'm missing.

That it is.


Yep, that is a good way to make sure you are perceiving something correctly, and to get clarification on things. :)

(I've been in a verbose mode today... :P)

Author:  Rachel Newhouse [ July 7th, 2011, 9:48 am ]
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I can't tell you how much life-changing sense that made. :shock:

I've found that one of the best ways to "override" your tendency to bioreact is to not react right away. If at all possible, such as with emails and forum posts, set it aside and come back to it later. That's not always possible, of course, but it's a start! :D

Thanks for taking the time to write and share that, Jay. :)

Author:  Whythawye [ July 7th, 2011, 11:18 am ]
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* smiles * I am glad it was a blessing. :)

Yes, that does help a lot I've found. It makes a big difference when you see it twice, with a cool mind.

Author:  Svensteel Mimetes [ July 7th, 2011, 11:38 am ]
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*opens gift*
Thanks Jay! This is gold! I can't wait till your next post!

Author:  Kiev Shawn [ July 7th, 2011, 1:11 pm ]
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That is excellent, Jay. Authenticity is definitely something that I've been working towards through a speech organization we are involved in. Thank you so much for sharing this; it is a precious gift. :)

Author:  Whythawye [ July 7th, 2011, 1:24 pm ]
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Thanks, Sven!

And that is awesome, Shawn. That is a worthy goal. :)

Author:  Aemi [ July 7th, 2011, 2:15 pm ]
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Okay, your second post helped the first post to make sense. ;) I think I get it this time.
And I'm terrible at that. I stay at level one way too much of the time.

Author:  Whythawye [ July 8th, 2011, 1:46 am ]
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Aemi wrote:
Okay, your second post helped the first post to make sense. ;) I think I get it this time.
And I'm terrible at that. I stay at level one way too much of the time.


Ah good, I am glad. :)

Knowing what is going on helps a lot, though, so you already have an advantage over Pretense. ;)

Author:  Kalisia Silverwing [ July 8th, 2011, 10:25 pm ]
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This has really made me think. Thank you for posting, Sir Emeth, and I look forward to reading the rest. :) *goes off to place Communication Catalyst on hold at library*

Aemi wrote:
And I'm terrible at that. I stay at level one way too much of the time.


I know what you mean. :P

Author:  Whythawye [ July 9th, 2011, 2:15 am ]
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Awesome! If anyone here reading this decides to read the Communication Catalyst as a result, I am very very happy. :D

Author:  K. C. Gaunt [ July 9th, 2011, 9:44 am ]
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Thanks, Jay. I must admit, I am incredibly awkward in my communication, and probably go into the bioreactive mode frequently. :shock: I also enjoyed the scientific side of it. :)

- Terra

Author:  Evening L. Aspen [ July 12th, 2011, 11:06 pm ]
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Philadelphia wrote:
I can't tell you how much life-changing sense that made. :shock:

Ditto.

Thank you so much for sharing this, Jay. I see this being extremely helpful, especially in communication with my family. I'm going to show this to my parents! :D

Author:  Camille Esther [ July 18th, 2011, 1:27 pm ]
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Wow. :shock:

*looks up Communication Catalyst*

Author:  Whythawye [ July 18th, 2011, 1:35 pm ]
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You are welcome, Evening. :) Sounds like a good idea!

Good plan, Camille. :D

Author:  Bethany (Lady Alina) [ August 28th, 2011, 7:44 pm ]
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Both posts were great. Thank you so much. I really relate to Phili's first comment on this, so your post was very helpful.

Seeing the ways I communicate in a new light was very helpful, and learning how to change how I respond to many things is too. Thanks again, Sir Emeth!

Author:  Aldara [ January 18th, 2012, 6:11 pm ]
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Wow. It's rather odd to find out all of a sudden that you haven't been communicating properly.
Thanks, Emeth.

Author:  AzlynRose [ February 8th, 2012, 1:42 pm ]
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Thank you for this gift, Emeth. Even the forum itself, without reading this, has already changed the way I consider my forum posts and what I say, and this takes it another step further into understanding and living by that example. :D

Author:  Riniel Jasmina [ May 27th, 2012, 3:29 pm ]
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*humbly bites her forked tongue* I seem to have accidentally mastered pretense...

Author:  The Maiden in Blue [ June 9th, 2012, 3:40 pm ]
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As much as I wish I was above the first two, I know I am not and it has just been recently that I have even realized that I was in the pretense. Sincerity has been my goal for a long time, and now I see that it is time for a much higher goal! Thanks Sir Emeth!

Author:  Lady Camilla Uphaven [ September 23rd, 2013, 4:35 am ]
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Woh... so, I will have to admit that this hit home on so many levels. You are making things easy to understand, and touching key points straight to the heart... Ouch, and thanks.

Lady Camilla Uphaven (Celita)

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