Captain America, for one. Or Superman. Or The Shadow or Doc Savage. I shall try to restrain my geekery from continuing.

I like Loki... he's back in The Avengers!

I thought that film looked a tad silly, though.

(I have now made a thread specifically for The Avengers to keep from derailing the thread. Thank you. Carry on.)

*will no longer talk about the Avengers on this thread*


Instead, I shall go talk about it on the new thread! XD

IREALLYREALLYLOVEDIT!!!!! THORISMYFAVORITEMARVELCHARACTEREVER!!!!!!!!!!

He's pretty awesome, isn't he? And the movie was surprisingly clean, too. Go Thor!

WOO HOO!!!

I saw the movie last night and I was pretty impressed with it. Loki was awesome. Plenty of funny scenes (iPod, "I need a horse", "How can you eat an entire box of Pop-Tarts and still be this hungry?"), and not too much suggestive content.

Loki WAS awesome.

I watched it yesterday with a friend of mine who had yet to see it. She'd seen the avengers though and DESPISED Loki...but then she saw Thor, and she realized, all he really needs is a hug.

*sigh* I really wanted Loki to be a good guy, but when I said as much while we were watching the movie, my dad gave me a funny look and said "he's the villain" That kind of ruined some things for me. Just once, I'd like to see a movie where the sibling of the heir is actually helping the heir--as Loki portrayed himself in the beginning.

I'm not sure that really classifies as a spoiler, but for anyone who doesn't know the story--and hasn't gotten the idea of it from our other posts, I won't spoil it further for you. XD

*digs around HW till she finds this thread because she was sure it existed*

I just saw Thor this weekend. I quite liked it. But I loved Loki's character. (new desktop wallpaper, anyone? ) Out of the whole movie, I felt his character had the most depth, and tangibility.


Yes! Poor Loki! I felt so sorry for him! I felt especially bad at the end when he was saying - eyes full of hope - "I could have done it, father!" and the king merely shook his head and said, "No, Loki." Wha--?! He could have! Why couldn't he have encouraged the poor little guy? Ahem. /rant

I also agree with your spoiler, Vav. I wanted that too. I'm hoping for that to happen in Avengers II. Anyhow. Loki has officially made it to my favourite villains list. (It's a very short list.)

Yes, poor Loki... that scene was sad. And earlier on where he was talking with his father, "Why? Because I-I'm the monster parents tell their children about in the dark?"

*tears up and sniffles* That was sooo sad!

Well, yeah. That was in The Avengers, not Thor. This was before he became the full-blown bad guy!

My siblings and I actually like Loki more than we like Thor.

*cough* Same. *cough*

*agrees with the above, then , , , , and with the above*

You mean arranging to betray his family and kingdom, then killing the attacker in the back, and attempting to destroy an entire world doesn't make someone a full-blown bad guy?

Nah.

*chuckles over all of this *

He was double-crossing the bad guys in order to destroy them so he could prove himself to his father, and he may have been a tad bit jealous of his brother.

Which may have resulted in the unprovoked deaths of many, many, frost-giants. Just because they're in opposition to Asgard doesn't necessarily make them evil. When it comes to the Marvelverse, they're fairly low on the bad guy scale.

The poor guy was trying to do what he thought was right and what he thought would redeem himself in his father's eyes. His dad should have shown him a little more mercy to begin with. I don't condone what he did, but his motives weren't entirely evil.

This just goes to show bad parenting makes the bad guys. *cough cough*

Ummm... out of curiosity, where was the bad parenting?

*cough* That was half in jest... But anyhow, it is sort of what I was thinking. I'm probably looking far too deep here, but if the king truly wanted to take Loki on as his son, he should have treated him as a son, not visibly favouring Thor over Loki. And the king would have known that Loki would find out his true lineage someday, so it did Loki an injustice for him to keep that information from him for so long. The father should have told him earlier, and he should have made clear that he loved him as a son, not as a tool that might come in handy some day.

Anyway. I'm very sensitive to parent/children relationships, (see latest blog article) and I pick up on a lot deeper things relating to them in books and films, probably more so than most. So feel free to ignore my rant.

Hitler thought what he was doing was right. (Yes, I'm aware that's a cheap shot.)

I think Odin and his wife were good parents, based on what little we see in the movies. Thor was just... Thor, I think, and overshone him.

Having several adopted friends, having undergone adoption processes myself, and knowing many families who have adopted young children, I look at the telling/not telling your child thing a bit differently... but that isn’t really a discussion for this thread.

I was very happy with the father figure in the movie. He was a strong man, one who deeply loved his sons and loved them enough to give them tough love when they needed (which is what has to happen when sons become teens and young men).

Loki's issues were far more personal, and I don't think can be blamed on his parents. What we see of his parents is very supportive, as is his brother. Also... Thor was the eldest son. He was naturally supposed to take on the role of his father. Look back to the time of kings and queens in history.

I like Loki as a villain, because he's so sympathetic, yet very corrupt and twisted. He's sly and devilish, but we like him anyways because he has the ability to pull at our emotions. Those are the best kinds of villains. They are also the most lethal.

Just throwing these comments out there. My Daddy has trained me to critically assess movies when I watch them, and to ponder the deeper themes and character motivations, so don't mind me, I'm just rattling.

*chuckles* Yeah okay. Point taken.


Yes, well it's true that I probably don't have the experience there to say either way, so don't pay me any mind. Just spilling my mind by request.


Good point. I guess there must have been something up though if Loki could say "I never wanted the throne, I just wanted to be your equal." But I tend to explode little details like that too far.


I like your rattling. I guess the short of my opinion is that I am a sucker for sympathy. If a character - good or non - has been a victim of circumstances or have had some injustice done to them to cause them to deviate from the right course, sympathy clouds my objectivity. So just ignore me.

Dark World: What are your thoughts on what little we know so far?

I enjoyed hearing your thoughts, Aussie. It is an interesting subject.

I think Loki's issues came back to sibling rivalry, and I think Thor had little to do with it. We see in the beginning, and even throughout the movie, that Thor loves his brother. He trusts his brother. But Thor is a very different personality. He’s a strong, in the spotlight type of character. He’s extroverted. He has charisma. Loki wanted to be those things, but his personality was different. Instead of being the best that Loki could be, he wanted to be the best of what Thor could be.

One of the biggest betrayals in the movie, for me, was when Loki lied to his brother about their parents, and broke Thor. He did it to break his brother. To build himself up. That was when he really became the villain for me. Even though I still felt sympathy for him, because of his self doubts and self deprecation, that betrayal, a betrayal to someone who he grew up with and who loved and supported him- and his ability to do it with a smile- that was the turning point for me.

Ironically though...he did exactly what Thor needed...not excusing that, but I think it's a neat twist in the story.

And yeah, Loki had problems that were his own fault, but he should have been told, and then not told that he was being "protected from the horrible truth" when he DID find out. Ugh. That's enough to shake up anyone's worldview.

Part of the reason when I gagged at the end of the movie when Thor says, "I'll never be as good a king as you...or a better father."

And I'm thinking..."I sure HOPE you will!"

I totally agree.

Yeah, that line at the end was weak.

Apparently there are ideas floating about that Loki may eventually become a good guy in either Thor 2 or Avengers 2.

I think it is a decent possibility, due to the way Loki has been presented to the audience. There is a slight possibility of redemption. It would be awesome to see.

I agree. I was listening to some interviews on YouTube last night, and I read this:


It would be an awesome twist, and an amazing story to see a villain come good. Normally in superhero movies the villain is irredeemable and unrepentant, getting killed by the end. If Loki changed however, it would put across a great message, that even the worst villains aren't past hope. If they did that, I would be sold out on this series of movies for life.

If Thanos is the villain, there's a good chance Loki might switch sides.

(And I happen to recall him switching sides quite often.)

*nods * I agree. It would be awesome and creative.

Okay, clue me in: who's Thanos? Was that who was at the end of the Avengers?

Yep, that was Thanos. He's a complicated character, an a supervillian. The best way for me to give you info on him is to give you this youtube link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePI0AUcV ... re=related It's pretty condensed and gives a basic overview.

That was a very concise overview of the character. It's a good plan, I just hope the movies don't go too dark with it though...

I have a lot of confidence in the filming team that has brought us the Marvel Movies. Their films have been well done, and a couple of them have been very clean. I have high expectations.

If they have Airi's confidence, they have mine too, then.

*laughs * Well then, they better pull through with both of us behind them.

Exactly. They don't want us as enemies.

*facepalm*

I had a link to a newspaper article that had a bunch of pictures of the filming. We have no idea what's going on, but it involves a big viking-liking battle, explosions, and a burning hut-thing.

Ah, Thanos. He's just a top-of the line super-villain. Apparently it has been confirmed he'll be the Avengers villain. Which takes me back to wondering who the villain in Thor 2 is going be.

Well.... I'm not sure. There is Fenris Wolf - Loki and the giantess Angrboda's child. But I think that is unlikely.

I guess the question is, will Thor 2 take place on Asgard, or Earth? My guess is earth, so they can deal with Thor's love life.

If it were on Asguard, I would say Mangog is a possibility... He is the sum total of the hatred of a billion beings that were once killed by the ruler of Asgard. Imprisoned deep beneath Asgard, Mangog is accidentally freed by the Rock Troll Ulik, and seeks to destroy Asgard.

Or maybe Mephisto - A demon who rules another dimension and has clashed with Thor on different occasions....

But my biggest bet would be Surtur, the fire demon native to the extra dimensional plane of Asgard with power rivaling that of Odin. He sounds the coolest, at least.

Well we know that Thor 2 is called "The dark world" and
Malekith and Algrim are in it so I would guess we will see quite a bit of Svartifheim (or what ever you call that place) where the dark elves live.

Here are pictures from the set http://www.superherohype.com/gallery/th ... -world-set

Yes, those are the ones I was looking for.