That's about when I saw A New Hope for the first time.

A bit of a stretch?! He went against his own can--!

I've already had my turn at ranting , never mind me.


Probably Technology and Warfare.

C-3PO was the real hero.

End of story.

(my brother and I made a mockumentary about how 3PO was the real hero of all the stories... I adore that droid! )

*smiles * There is wiggle room for Anakin to have a padawan. And you do see a character in the third movie who looks like Asoka Tano. It is a stretch, but not an impassible one.

I could be misremembering a line in the third movie. I remember a line that mentions that Anakin never had a padawan. If that's the case, then Lucas broke canon with the cartooned series, and canon breaking is a pet peeve the size of an elephant in my book.

That was never said in the third movie. Believe me, I'm one of the biggest fans. I know the ins and outs of Lucas' story. I grew up a big fan, the daughter of another big fan.

In the end of The Phantom Menace, Yoda tells Obi (who is still a Padawan learner himself, under the now dead Qui-Gon Jinn) "Confer on you the level of Jedi Knight, the Council does, but agree with your taking of this boy as your Padawan learner, I do not!"

You do not have to be a Master, in order to have an apprentice. The Masters are those who sit on the Council. All other Jedi are known as Jedi Knights.

Since Anakin would be the Jedi in charge of her training, and the person she would have to obey, she would call him master out of respect because he was her master, even if the Jedi Council hadn't granted him the formal rank of Master yet.

I must be misremembering then.


I'm aware of that. What I had been misremembering was a scene in Episode III where Obi is trying to make Anakin see reason when Anakin is miffed that, while he was added to the Jedi Council, he wasn't granted the rank of master. I thought that Obi said a line while trying to cheer Anakin up in which Obi reminded Anakin that he was the first Jedi to have been added to the council without ever having an apprentice.
Like I said though: I must have not been remembering properly (perhaps my brain mixed up a part when Obi said that Anakin had been the youngest Jedi to be added to the council?).

Obi did tell Anakin he was the youngest Jedi ever to be added to the Council, and that that was an honor. But Anakin was miffed over not be granted the title Jedi Master. He was still a Jedi Knight, granted permission to confer with the council.

There was nothing about being unable to have a Padawan.

You have to remember, this is Lucas' baby. This was his story he wrote. He's as attached to it as we are to ours. Lucas is very careful to make sure the Clone Wars doesn't violate the movies. Which is why every episode has to go through him for approval.

The series isn't about altering what happened. It's about broadening the Star Wars Universe. That's what is so cool about it.

Lucas didn't break canon.

This is also why I can't imagine Darth Maul being brought back to life.

Ah. *is happy now*

*is glad you are happy now *

It's been a long time since I've seen the movies.

I watched the first movie of the old series, A New Hope, yesterday night. My favorite was Luke Skywalker. I thought Princess Leia was... a little annoying. Maybe a little more than a little annoying.

She gets better, except in V where she's fighting with Han.

Well, it's good to know she won't be the same annoying character through-and-through.

Yeah.

I found her annoying too.

*thirds *

In Episode I - The Phantom Menace, Qui-Gon could not take Anakin as an apprentice since he had Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan, after Qui-Gon's death, became a Jedi - Knight, correct? - and began to train Anakin. So, you don't have to be a Master to train an apprentice, right?

Unfortunately, we - my siblings and I - got "attached" to EU - the books. Sure, they may not be canon, but they are enjoyable, they fit much better than the TV series.

This is how the process goes:

A character is in the movies, in the background, or is named but isn't built upon.
That character is then put into books, and is expanded upon, and has a large amount of data on Wookieepedia - Star Wars wiki.
The character is then put into Clone Wars, since they were in the movies, they then mess up EU by disregarding all of that because it isn't canon.

We know its not canon (EU), but we love how they portray the characters and the stories of EU.

btw, Maul was technically partially brought back in EU, when Ferus Olin fought Inquisitor Malorum in Last of the Jedi.

True. It has its moments.

The rank of Jedi Master was only attained upon the successful completion of the first apprentice's training and knighting.


EDIT:
Disney just bought LucasFilm Ltd and plans on releasing Episode 7 in 2015.

Correct!



Right, I can understand that, but you can't blame Lucas for not holding to EU, since that wasn't one of his projects. He's not following EU, he's following what he created. I can understand falling in love with something though, and then being messed up because people don't follow it.

@Varon: My Grandma came up yesterday to tell me all about it, and I calmly told her "Yeah, I found out a few days ago, Grandma". I knew before it hit the news!!!

But...how are they going to make another episode if all the main character actors are old...er?

Maybe have it set many years later?

I read somewhere that originally, there were going to be 4 trilogies, for a total of 12 movies.

Episode 7 was going to take place 30-40 years later.

I just hope they don't do a modern take on it like Stargate: Universe, Star Trek: Enterprise (As much as I enjoyed them both...), especially since Lucas isn't doing them.

And remember, that's only IF they get this thing off the ground. So what, Disney has the rights? They still need a producer/whatever, right?

Lucas is very passionate about seeing his baby survive him. He's getting older, so he's taking the nessesary steps to ensure, while he's still sharp, that things will live on. I don't think getting things off the ground is going to be that big a deal.

Basically, the movies will start with the New Jedi Order, so if Luke were in them, he'd be old. So no conflict where actors are concerned.

Harrison Ford*, Mark Hamil, and Carrie Fisher have all said they're open to returning for the movies.

I've heard it'll be 20 years after RotJ, which places it at the true end of the Galactic Civil War (According to the current SW-verse timeline) and right before the Yuzhon Vong Invasion. That, of course, depends on whether or not what was first mentioned is still accurate, and if they're even keeping the current timeline of events or cutting it all.
They're working on getting the story right now.

(*If he gets a death scene)

That was way more put together than my answer.

Star Wars is my preciousss...

That's probably why.

Interesting. I look forward to seeing how this is approached.

Unless they ignore the books (Like Clone Wars, sorry, Airi) And go straight for their own universe, or that crazy "Cade Skywalker" thing.

Yeah, I think I read somewhere that they wouldn't be following the extended universe stuff with the new movies, but I'm not sure where...

I've seen that too. They say it will be an original story.

Cade Skywalker is pretty awesome. Not as awesome as Quinlan Vos, but still pretty cool.

I highly doubt they will follow any of the books. After all, they are fan fiction, not Star Wars. Not that they can't be good fan fiction, but I expect they will follow more of Lucas' "guide book" and continue with his plans for the other trilogies/series.

Just for the record, my definition of "fan fiction" is, like, stuff that are made by people who don't actually get published, like, we'll just say, the people at Fanfiction.net (although, there have been good ones on there).

Books that have been published and have the icons/symbols/whatever on the back (i.e. Star Trek Destiny having the CBS Publish/er/ing 'eye-thing') does't make it canon.

I know this'll be drifting away from SW, but I think people should read this, 'cuz even though they are talking about a ST ship, it still applies (Somewhat) to SW and other series' stuff...(Doesn't know how to explain it, so he stops.)

http://star-trek.answers.wikia.com/wiki ... NCC-1701-F

In the above, my definition is thrown out by the guy "STO is really just fan fiction authorized by Paramount/CBS". (But that IS just in the simplest way of putting it, in my opinion.)

Fan Fiction doesn't have anything to do with whether it is published or not, though. It's not a derogatory term.

Eh... The Star Wars Expanded Universe is not fan fiction by any usage of the term I have ever encountered. Until recently, it was explicitly canon until and unless contradicted by the movies. Further, it would be perfectly reasonable for Disney to stick with them, because if they don't, they risk alienating large portions of their fan-base. Personally, I'd be fine with them ignoring the EU, as long as the do a good/better job of it, but of course my preference would be for them to ignore the parts I don't like and use the parts I do like, but that's not going to happen.

*pokes head in and cautiously raises hand* I have never seen or read any Star Wars.

And yes, I have been told to my face that it was unAmerican. Which makes sense, because it's set in a galaxy far, far away...

Eh, people overreact. Mind you, it's a reasonable thing to go see unless you have a definite reason not to, because there are a lot of references to it all over the place. But it is the sort of thing that's mind-boggling for most people for someone not to have seen, because 'everyone' has seen it, so people will be surprised. I mean, I'm surprised when I hear people say that, and I hadn't watched the movies until I was... oh I don't know. 15, maybe. But I'm used to being odd that way, so I don't expect other people to not have watched them.

*stops rambling and shuts up*

I hadn't seen them until I was fifteen, either. Though boy did I want to.

Anyway, they're awesome.

*the word nerd emerges *

Fan fiction Defined:

Fan fiction, not to be mistaken with cross-overs (people take characters from one piece of work and put them in another), is a broadly-defined term used when someone takes a piece of fandom (be that characters, a story, novel tv show, movie, etc.) and create their own story based off of the original work by the original creator.

Works of fan fiction are rarely commissioned or authorized by the original work's owner, creator, or publisher; also, they are almost never professionally published. Because of this, many fan fictions written often contain a disclaimer stating that the creator of the work owns none of the characters. Fan fiction, therefore, is defined by being both related to its subject's canonical fictional universe and simultaneously existing outside the canon of that universe. Most fan fiction writers assume that their work is read primarily by other fans, and therefore tend to presume that their readers have knowledge of the canon universe (created by the original writer) in which their works are based.

Like I said before, guys. It's not a derogatory remark.

I didn't see them until I was five.

So I remember II and III coming out and not being able to see them in theater.

Again, no one I have ever encountered ever uses the term 'fan fiction' for anything official. It's not about it being a derogatory term or not. Further, the EU does not exist outside the official universe, unless the recent shifts about that were more extensive than I'd realized, which would mean it doesn't fit that definition. Further, the way you used it was saying 'they are fan fiction, not Star Wars', which doesn't fit well with the fact that they are authorized and all that. It's also inherently a somewhat derogatory statement, because it is basically saying that they're lesser/unimportant/whatever.

Not that I think the EU is particularly great, and on many levels it's pretty much exactly like fan fiction, but still.

All right, Airianna, I see your point.

@Balec: It's just a categorization.



No, that is your assumption, sir. They are not written by the author or the creator. I didn't say they weren't Star Wars. I simply said they were fan fiction (written about SW by people other than the original creator), and you cannot expect the man who created Star Wars to follow what others wrote about his world (Lucas isn't ditching SW, he's simply preparing for the fact that he won't be around forever, and is getting old).

However, I have no intention to argue about it. It is of little importance what you want to call EU, the simple fact remains that neither you, nor I, nor anybody else have a say in what they decide to do for the future of Star Wars. *shrugs *

I do know that this is Lucas’ life’s work, which means he cares more about it than any of us, just like I care about my world more than anyone else does, though some of my beta readers may argue that point.

http://www.starwars.com/news/michael-ar ... s-site_rss

Michael Arndt (Little Miss Sunshine, Toy Story 3) will be writing the screenplay for VII.

I am very glad that George Lucas will still be involved, but I also agree with you, Varon, that it might be good to see some "new blood".

Especially if they know what they're doing.

Oh, and the screenwriter is also doing Catching Fire, so we can critique his skill before we see VII.

The only exposure I've had to them was a study done by Bill Jack of Worldview Acadamey. It was neat to listen as he showed that Star Wars is from a polytheistic view. He said that the Force is the one who controls the good and the bad, but the good side has their gods and the dark side has theirs.

Ooh, that is a good tid bit to tuck away.

Yeah, it is.




I'm not so sure about that. The Dark Side is more of a corruption of the Force, and the Sith are those who twist it for their own uses, causing it to be imbalanced.

Yeah,
Lucas has stated that the force is inherently good, and that corrupting is against the will of the force,

Really?

I wasn't trying to say that's how you meant it, but I see no other way to take that statement other than at least somewhat derogatory. And I'm really not even all that much of a fan of the EU as a whole.

And of course you could expect him to follow it, he's the one in charge of the whole thing, so he's the one who allowed them to be done, and under the stamp of being official, although less than the movies. Now, I suspect he at least somewhat regrets it, and that it got out of hand, but some people will expect him to, and they won't be 'wrong' to do so. Just likely to be disappointed.


*shrugs* That's fine. Although I will say that there is some importance to what you call it, because words carry with them meanings, some right and some wrong. But it is certainly true that none of us have any say in it, and we can't know what they're going to do until they tell us.