So what does everyone think of the new Superman film coming out? I watched the trailer a while back and personally, I think it will be much better than the Superman Returns film, especially with Christopher Nolan producing it. Not to mention we're finally going to see Superman go toe to toe with a villain who can stand up to him. I've gotten tired of always seeing Lex Luthor as the main villain, so General Zod will be a nice change.

I am really, really, really looking forward to it. Superman is one of my two favorite superheroes. The last trailer they showed was brilliant. So, I can't wait.

I'm not too much of a super hero person, so I will likely not go see it. I hope y'all enjoy it, though.

I think it'll be interesting - I'll watch it, but I think that they're doing it for Justice League, which is slated for 2015. If you look around, you can see that the movies that they're planning could be considered a gear-up to Justice League, like Batman, which they are re-booting already, and Spider-Man (With the Amazing Spider-Man)

Well, I generally don't like Superman as a hero since he's way too powerful, but Nolan's directing it, so maybe this will be a good movie...

Yes, I figured they're doing that. I don't know about them getting the Justice League out for 2015 when they don't even have a director attached or actors, except the guy playing Superman. My guess is that they're waiting to see how The Man of Steel does and then they'll start making some serious progress.

I'm looking forward to it!

I hope it will be good. Superman has always had the cheese factor and the fact that he is basically unkillable thus lowering the stakes.

(But they do have Christoper Nolan producing and he did a great job with Batman.)

In all honesty, Superman has really gotten a bum deal over the years so I hope as well that this film will finally do the character justice. I think with Christopher Nolan at the helm, it will come out good. At least it won't be as cheesy as Superman Returns.

Well, the film is now out. I saw it last night.

All in all, I'm OK with it and I will definitely watch it again (not in theaters), but it certainly has some major flaws.

Mostly just this. In the FX/stakes department, they tried to one-up Avengers. They pretty much failed. Now, in my mind, most of the other aspects of the movie were superior to Avengers (not the least of which is originality). I didn't like Avengers much (don't shoot me-it was lame). This movie is definitely better in terms of acting, general production quality, screenplay, and for that matter, logic.

Happy to talk spoilers later. For now, all the Avengers fans can come and disagree with me.

I have a question for those who have seen the movie:
When trying to stop Zod from destroying the family, why didn't Superman cover Zod's laser beams with his hand? It would have stopped the killing and Superman wouldn't of had to kill Zod (at that point).

I saw it!!! The other day. I need to get my review up.

There was a lot that went into killing Zod, and it was very emotional for Clark after it happened. I thought the kill scene was brilliantly done.

I went to see this tonight, with my sister Kathy. We made a night of it, went out for a meal together and then went to watch this.

We both really enjoyed it, I was really worried as it's not my sister's typical kind of movie but I think she even enjoyed it more than me! I loved the Sci Fi aspect to it as well.

I agree with you there, Airi. I thought that scene was really - powerful for want of a better word. It made me really feel what Clark was going through at that moment, I found it to be a really emotional moment.

*Chuckles* Well, I must say I didn't enjoy it as much as The Avengers - but each to their own! I like the lighthearted side to The Avengers, whereas I found Man of Steel quite dark all in all. But I still enjoyed it, they are very different though, I think.

I thought Kevin Costner was amazing. I have always had mixed feelings with him, sometimes I've liked his acting and other times I really haven't; but I thought he was brilliant in this film.

My review is up.

I went and saw it today, expecting to be mildly disappointed. I wasn't. Probably my favorite superhero movie now, contested only by Captain America. It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was good. A nice change from the Marvel movies that gloss over a lot of the deeper questions. Plus, it leaves room for growth, which meant backing him down the power scale and development scale. I'm not as mad about that as I could be, given that I had my nerd-rage over that when they released the New 52 Action Comics #1. They explained why, and it made sense.

Saw it. Liked it. Had its flaws but it was an excellent Superman movie.

One thing that really bugged me: when John Kent ran back to the car during the tornado scene, I turned to my dad and whispered, "He better not be going back to save a dog." Surprise, it was a dog. Honestly, that scene would have been fantastic if the dog was replaced with a human. Dying over a dog just made me roll my eyes, especially considering how powerful the scene was with John Not letting Clark save him. [/endrant]

I totally agree, Roager!!!

I may watch it soon, hopefully. I'll avoid the spoilers until then.

@Balec: Then you really don't want to click on this spoiler. Actually, you probably will want to avoid this thread all together.

I can't wait for you to see the movie so we can read your opinion on it!



A couple things I observed leading up to that moment:

1. Zod was a trained warrior from birth, Superman was a farm boy.
After the credits rolled my brother made the comment that Clark was not a very good fighter. He took a beating throughout the movie. The reason that happened is Clark held back from fighting his entire life. He was bullied and never threw a punch. My guess is he had zero fighting experience in his 33 years on earth because he couldn't risk killing anyone with one punch. Zod and his gang were the only one's Clark ever had the opportunity to actually fight back. Even though he was inexperienced, Clark did well early on because his only advantage over them was his exposure to Earth's radiation and the understanding on how his powers worked. However...

2. Escalating Risks.
...That advantage was fading and fading every second he fought Zod. It took Clark 33 years to focus and control his powers. Zod learned in less than 24 hours. Clark had air superiority until Zod learned to fly. Once he became an equal in power with Clark, Zod's lifetime of training and combat experience would quickly overwhelm Clark. Brute strength is not enough vs knowledge combined with technique.

Along with Zod's increasing power came collateral damage. The longer they fought the more people died. Every punch sent each other flying as a biological cruise missiles through buildings and people. Hundreds if not thousands of people were dying and the battle zone kept on expanding. There was no end in sight of where these two would fight, and with Zod wanting to kill humanity, it was certain he would keep on fighting in populated areas. Nowhere was safe for them to fight. You could argue in space or on the moon, but Zod would just keep on coming back to earth because he knows that's what is most dear to Clark.

3. The Phantom zone option was gone.
The devices used to create the wormhole were both destroyed in order remove the Kryptonians from earth...but Zod escaped. The only "prison" that was capable of holding him is now gone. There is now nothing on earth that can stop or contain Zod, except for Clark. At best Clark can only hold Zod to a standstill, at worst Clark dies. If Clark dies, earth dies. And as I stated earlier, Clark's advantage of maintaing that standstill was fading.

Now for the scene:
In that moment, Clark got lucky and somehow got Zod in a head/choke lock. The ONLY way to hold someone in that move is to use both arms as leverage and have your hands locked. Even with Clark being in a superior postion he could not control Zod, as evidenced by Zod shooting his lasers toward the people. By moving his hand to cover Zod's eyes Clark would have weakend his grip and let Zod loose. Clark "may" have been able to save those people, there's no guarantee Zod wouldn't just bring the whole building down on top of them, but by doing so he would have doomed countless others from the continuation of their fight and doom himself by eventually being overtaken.

It wasn't just the people in the path of Zod's laser Clark was saving, he was saving mankind.

I agree with Roager's overview.

Also, I think that scene was really well done when we see how much killing Zod tore Clark up.

Think about it. Zod is the last of Clark's kind. He didn't really want to kill Zod, he wanted to redeem him. That's Clark's character. Saving and redeeming. He wanted to bridge the gap between the two worlds just like his Father had hoped. But in that moment, when Clark had to make the choice of earth and humans over Zod and Krypton, it was the end to everything. And now he was alone. He wasn't alone because he had the people of earth, his Mom, Louis, and so on, but he is the last of his kind. And he is the one who brought the extinction of his race about.

Also, Clark, as we saw all throughout the movie, isn't a soldier at heart. So killing Zod wasn't going to be something that Clark looked at as a necessary evil in order to avoid the destruction of earth. There was no justifying after he snaps his neck. He's just devastated. Which fits with his character.

*chuckles*. You don't want us to give away spoilers or plot points,do you,E?

Well the glasses, difference in posture, entirely different demeanor, ill-fitting suits, and managing to adjust his height. This wasn't including serious effort on Superman's part, including recruiting Batman to stand in for him so that Clark Kent and Superman could be seen together at the same time.

I was expecting to be disappointed with Superman killing, but with how it was portrayed and the circumstances, I'm not. It would give him grounds to institute that rule.

*chuckles * The rouse just never worked for me.

Well, MOS did well enough that Warner is going ahead with a sequel and even better, they are reintroducing Batman in the film as well, which will mark the first time the characters have ever met on the big screen. I can't wait to see how that's going to turn out.

I like the relationship between Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne in Young Justice, so I'll be interested to see how the two characters end up interacting in live action.

Their relationship is always interesting. Except in Dark Knight Returns, which is where it just made me mad.

Remind me never to introduce you to my sister. She's gone through some sort of phase involving superhero animated TV shows, first DC (So Young Justice), and now she's getting into Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (Which I've only seen a few episodes of, so she's asking me all these questions)

Anyway, to contribute something to the topic, I know that the writers/someone-behind-the-screen was contracted for Man of Steel, a Man of Steel sequel (Which is the Superman VS. Batman Man of Steel 2 movie), and a Justice League film. If Man of Steel 2 is targeted for 2015, that means we can expect a Justice League film in 2017 or 2018.

I don't think DC will do it like Marvel, in which practically everyone in the Avengers was introduce in one of the standalone films, but they (DC) might release a movie or two with other members of the Justice League before doing JL film.

My only real complaints where that Kryptonian tech was so different from how it is in the comics which is more of an aesthetic thing really, and that Clark fought Zod in the middle of the city. Superman tries not to do that hes big on minimizing damage. Though he was a little green.

Well, I just saw Man of Steel, and I thought it was a pretty epic movie. I can understand why some people complained about there not being enough development of Superman's character. It did seem Superman donned the cape a little too quick and then came the showdown with Zod, and I would have preferred the crystal tech from the original. Besides that, it was the best Superman film ever, in my opinion.

So what does everyone think about Batman and Wonder Woman being in the MOS sequel?

Lex Luthor is supposed to be in it.

Don't know who they casted as Wonder Woman, but she looks the part.

When they casted Ben Affleck as Batman, I was like, "This isn't gonna work," But we'll see how it goes.

Man of Steel 2 (I hope they don't officially call it Batman Vs. Superman, because I think that that will cause a little confusion with those people who won't know that BvS is the sequel to Man of Steel - people who don't go on the internet and look for this kind of stuff and only find out when the TV spots are played a month or so before the movie's release) was given a release date of a delay of 10 months, I think, to May 2016, bringing it in direct conflict with a Marvel movie (I checked and the only reason I can find for the date is that it's the first Friday of May, like how the Avengers and Iron Man movies were released, and that breaks their 'pattern', if they had one. I can't help but wonder if this is to fuel Marvel VS. DC arguments...

Yes, I heard about that. I figured they would haul him in for the sequel if one got greenlit.

I think the actor playing Wonder Woman is Gale Gadot, but I'm not sure. She was apparently in the Fast and Furious films.

I know what you mean. I couldn't believe they'd chosen Affleck for the role. But everyone didn't like it when Keaton was cast as Batman, but after his performance, he won over the critics. Hopefully, this will turn out the same.

I don't think the film will be dubbed Batman vs. Superman. Not with Wonder Woman in there. The title would seem more than a bit ridiculous.

Well, my guess is that they're trying to copy Marvel, and maybe show off a bit by pitting their film against one of Marvels. After all, with both Batman and Wonder Woman in there, that film is bound to be a huge success.

Well, you know, I'm not, like, hating it, it's just that I've seen Ben Affleck in other movies (Armageddon, etc.), and while his performance was great, I just don't see him as Batman. Of course, that could be just because I'm used to Adam West and Christian Bale.

Only movie I've seen Affleck in was a Christmas show, and that was enough. I honestly can't see him as Batman either. He just doesn't seem to fit the part. It's a little ironic how he swore he would never play another costumed hero after playing Daredevil, and now here he is as Batman.

Christian Bale was terrific as Batman. I don't know if anyone could rival his performance in that role. I watched a few seconds worth of Adam West as Batman. For me, it was so bad I just closed my eyes and turned the TV off.