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| Author: | Seer of Endor [ February 11th, 2012, 3:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Theological Insights for Race Creation |
One of the things about worldbuilding that has always baffled me is the concept of God/whatever-you-call-him-in-your-worlds creating separate races from the start. He didn't do it with mankind, he created one couple and from them various races and cultures emerged. So I often have had trouble validating in my own mind why he would create more than one race on a world instead of doing like he did in the familiarworld. I know, I know, I'm over-thinking it. Probably, but it's what I do. Anywho I recently stumbled on a possible answer. At least one that works for me, especially after I realized it reflected some of the things I'd already done in my worldbuilding and race creation in the past without knowing it. So here's my answer Genesis 1:26-29 wrote: Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” 29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. Genesis 2:15 wrote: The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. Old news, right? Well here's what hit me. The main reason God created our race was "in his own image". There have been centuries of discussion as to what exactly that means, but none of it really impacts the crux of my realization. If God created one race in his image in our world, then it would stand to reason that if he created multiple races it would be with the intention of each race reflecting his nature uniquely along with the other races. Now obviously they would all share some common qualities (sentience, a spirit/soul, conscience, free will, etc.), and no one race is made more in God's image than the others. They all reflect his highly complex nature in a variety of ways. I honestly think that this could be a very big help with our worldbuilding and race creating. For instance you're going along and come up with awesome race A and awesome race B. Now ask yourself, how does race A reflect God's nature differently than race B and vice versa? Cool, right? Let me show you an example of what I'm talking about. It just so happens I did something very similar in my creation of Mythica's races, but at the time I wasn't entirely aware of the reflecting God's nature. But it works really well. In Mythica there are essentially four main races that God created: The Fae were first, then the Valds, then the Wights, then Men. Of course, over the years there was diversifying and inter-marriage which led to new races popping up, but that's tangential to this post. Some years ago, I broke all of these but the Wights into three main categories, Fae = the Caretakers, Valds = the Rulers, and Men = the Inhabitants. The Fae were created to take care of the land and nurture it, and have a much closer rapport with nature than the other races. The Valds were made as rulers of the natural & magical (yeah, yeah, it's technically Cobha, but whatever The Fae/Caretakers, reflect God's role as Provider, Sustainer, Caring father. Many times in the Scripture he is parabolically portrayed as a farmer or as one who plants a vineyard/vine and tenderly cares for it. Most often it's used as a symbol of how he cares for his People, but there are a couple of passages (particularly Jesus' spiel on not worrying and the end of Job) that show how he cares for his creation. The Fae were made to reflect that, they have a close rapport with the created realm and care dearly for it. You could almost call them the gardeners or groundskeepers of nature. The Valds/Rulers reflect God's authority and power. Now obviously, only God is truly sovereign, but even as in Genesis where he hands over a great deal of authority upon Adam, so he does to the Valds. The Valds are uniquely bonded to the innate power that God filled the world with, and it gives them a great deal of power over the forces both natural and more abstract. The story of that is actually really cool and I look forward to sharing it with yall eventually. The Wights, which before really had no place in the system, reflect God's spiritual nature. Like him, they exist without physical bodies. Now they can take on physical form, or give the appearance of physical form, but in their natural state, they are pure spirit. They're different from angels however in that they (the Wights) were created with the world and are inhabitants of it unlike angels, which seem to have an existence independent of our world. Men reflect two main attributes of God one more notably than the other. First, his omnipresence. Scripture tells how God fills the earth/universe with his presence. He is in all places at once. Now men are not omnipresent, but their large population leads to them as a race filling the world in a manner reflective of God's omnipresence. Secondly, Men reflect God's creativity, but particularly in an innovative/inventive sense. I didn't want to give one race more skills as artists above another, I figure God made all the races with the ability to create beauty. So Men are more creative in the ways that they adapt the resources of nature to their needs and will. Now, of course, those aren't the only traits of God that each race reflects. There are many others, and many of them are mutually shared by all the races. The thing is that for each race I picked out an attribute of God that that race reflects more dominantly than the other races. The Valds care for nature as well, and the Fae can be quite inventive at times, and Man's creative use of natural resources entails a type of dominion over nature. The thing is, that none of those things are as notable as the main trait that the races reflect. This post is starting to get long, and I've done a lot of talking about my races and my worldbuilding, but there's a reason for it. My hope was that by showing you how the idea helped me with my worldbuilding, you might get a better idea of how this perspective could help you. A couple of house cleaning points as I wrap this up. First, this is an extremely exocosmic perspective, the races themselves do not grasp/obsess about the idea of how they reflect God's image differently as much as I do. Frankly because to them it wouldn't matter. They have the very real physical, cobhical and cultural differences that they use to distinguish themselves from one another. The theology of it really isn't a concern for them. Secondly, I wanted to encourage you to remember that you don't have to assign each race a specific Attribute of God's character/nature that they reflect/embody. This was meant more as an encouragement to look at your races and see how they reflect God's character differently from one another. It might give you some ideas of how to further develop them, I know it did for me. It might give you new insight on some things that needed improvement. It might even give you story ideas (perish the thought!) So how do your races reflect the image of God? Be sure to chime in on this thread in the theology room as well. |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ February 11th, 2012, 4:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
That's a good thing to think about. |
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| Author: | Seer of Endor [ February 15th, 2012, 2:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Thanks! I thought so too |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ February 16th, 2012, 10:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Awesome post, Seer! Thanks for taking the time to write this! Ok so a way that I applied this to my WereWolves (if you haven't met my WereWolves yet, you can read the thread by clicking the red symbol in my signature) is, that WereWolves are a perfect example of absolute despicable horrible scum being redeemed and turned into something beautiful, amazing, and with a huge capacity for good. As you probably noticed, that is very similar to how "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." It also is an example of God's amazing Grace and willingness to draw even the most despicable creatures to himself for their good and his glory. In their own way, WereWolves glorify God by testifying to his amazing ability to turn evil things to good by living wholesome lives. Sort of a different take on applying your idea, I suppose, but I want you to know that your post made me think of it (or accentuating it, anyway), so thanks again for that post! *makes note to watch for Seer's Tower of Babel post* |
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| Author: | Seer of Endor [ February 16th, 2012, 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
RunningWolf wrote: Sort of a different take on applying your idea, I suppose, but I want you to know that your post made me think of it (or accentuating it, anyway), so thanks again for that post! Yeah, it's fairly different from what I was thinking of, but I'm glad it was helpful to you *remembers a question about RunningWolf's WereWolves and runs off to post it* |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ February 17th, 2012, 4:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Seer wrote: RunningWolf wrote: Sort of a different take on applying your idea, I suppose, but I want you to know that your post made me think of it (or accentuating it, anyway), so thanks again for that post! Yeah, it's fairly different from what I was thinking of, but I'm glad it was helpful to you *remembers a question about RunningWolf's WereWolves and runs off to post it* Yeah, it's funny how ideas work together and inspire other ideas. Yeah, bring on the questions! I find that questions from other HWers are one of the main things that help me develop things thoroughly. |
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| Author: | Lady PenWarrior [ May 11th, 2012, 7:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
One of the things that bugs me when I read fantasy/talk with other fantasy writers is that they completely ignore the origins aspect. Not just how the world came about, but how it is sound (or unsound) theologically. It's like putting stories in the fantasy category excuses us from having to make God fit into it in a way that actually coincides with what's in Scripture. So it's very, very refreshing to hear your perspective, Seer. I like it when people either make their worlds directly connected to Earth and thus subject to God in that way, or else seperate and unique with a strong emphasis on the symbolism. I have two fantasy worlds: Xystia and The Land. Xystia is directly connected to Earth, with a literal Bible, the same God, Salvation plan, etc. The other is completely symbolic, though it closely mimics reality, which was the intention. Really, it seems to me poor stewardship of the genre, as Christians, when we opt out of figuring out the theological aspects. That's almost the most important part, since it distinguishes Christian fantasy from secular fantasy. If we do it in a skilled way, it won't make our stories any less interesting than if we'd left it out. In short, I wouldn't call it overthinking at all! I think it's great. Your idea is very unique and fascinating, and I'm pretty picky when it comes to this sort of thing. ^.^ |
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| Author: | PlatinumBeetle [ August 30th, 2012, 7:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
This is great. I've actually had a pretty similar thought about how races with different methods of reproduction (a three gendered race for example) would have to reflect God's nature in their version of marriage because the union between Man and Wife is supposed to represent Christ and the church. I'm glad someone else applied the principle more generally and even worked up an example, which is pretty good by the way. Thank you for starting this thread, Seer! |
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| Author: | Turtleman [ September 5th, 2012, 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
While I haven't done this exactly in Ska'Lah'Seh as my Mon'An (Elves) are Half-Angels, Dwarves are just a mutant off-split of man, And the Beast men are just beasts raised up by Yah (God) to sapience. The only Sapient mortal race created at the Beginning was Humanity. However there is an interesting Point The Wol'V'An were raised to Sapiancy by God in order to save them from extinction. As they still had a part to play in his plan etc. Does this fall under your concept? |
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| Author: | Seer of Endor [ September 8th, 2012, 10:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
DawnBringer wrote: While I haven't done this exactly in Ska'Lah'Seh as my Mon'An (Elves) are Half-Angels, Dwarves are just a mutant off-split of man, And the Beast men are just beasts raised up by Yah (God) to sapience. The only Sapient mortal race created at the Beginning was Humanity. However there is an interesting Point The Wol'V'An were raised to Sapiancy by God in order to save them from extinction. As they still had a part to play in his plan etc. Does this fall under your concept? Um...no...doesn't even remotely fall under the concept in question. Applying the concept to your races would be asking yourself, "What attribute(s) of God is more evident in this race than in the others?" Make sense? |
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| Author: | Neil of Erk [ September 8th, 2012, 11:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Another example for you all (and for discussion since it does differ from Seer's way of splitting up the attributes): In Eartea, there were originally three sapient species. Created first, men were meant to rule and fill the Earth and subcreate within it. After men fell, they split into three groups, which eventually became distinct species. The humans reflect the Kingship attribute, and subdue and fill the earth. The elves represent the Prophet attribute, and experience revelations about past, present, and future events, as well as special insight into the hearts of themselves and others. The Dwarves represent the Priest attribute, and are the chosen people who are given the First Covenant, and charged to minister to the rest of mankind and to the creatures under their dominion. These races of men, while representing different attributes of God, all represent a central attribute of dominion. Created second, the _____ (no name, as of yet) exist to serve man, and live under his dominion. Yet, they possess souls and are created in the image of God. They represent the attribute of omnipotence, because of their incredibly long lives and extremely advanced intelligence, which would allow them to explore and learn, and share their wisdom with man. Created third, the Wusch (this name shall change, I swear it), were also created to serve man, but in a rather unconventional way. The Wusch were created (prior to the fall) to reprove and correct man after the fall, thus reflect an attribute of God, and reflecting his foreknowledge. There are, of course, the Dragons, which were created separately from the rest, at the specific request of Man (the first man, ironically), who saw in a vision prior to the fall a time of danger, and requested that God create protectors for his children. Thus, the race of Dragons, created to protect man, reflected Christ's attributes of servant-hood and self-sacrifice. Oh dear, that was long. (Sorry for boring you all with the arcana of Eartea, but I've got to say this stuff somewhere, and Seer conveniently started a thread on the subject.) |
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| Author: | Seer of Endor [ September 9th, 2012, 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Neil of Erk wrote: omnipotence What you describe sounds more like "omniscience".Very interesting work you've done with your races, Neil. |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ September 9th, 2012, 5:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Mimetes the Seer wrote: Very interesting work you've done with your races, Neil. Indeed. |
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| Author: | Neil of Erk [ September 9th, 2012, 8:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Mimetes the Seer wrote: Neil of Erk wrote: omnipotence What you describe sounds more like "omniscience".Very interesting work you've done with your races, Neil. No more posts after 10. I always use the wrong word. Thanks Seer and Jonathan! |
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| Author: | Aldara [ September 23rd, 2012, 9:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
*is very excited about the Tower of Babel post* *is also excited about this* In my admittedly underdeveloped Creation story, the three different races were created with different attributes, at least. The general premise is that men were created from the Earth, Elves from fire, and the 'halfelven' from water. Therefore, they have fundamentally different personalities. As far as God giving them different purposes... that's harder. I have nothing for the elves or the men, right now. But on the other hand, 'halfelven' are commanded to nurture and protect. They are the race most deeply rooted in the Creator, and He commanded them to watch over humans (the most fragile) and care for the natural world. This is why, wherever you find human settlement, you will find a clan of 'halfelven' nearby. I call it the Halfelven Great Commission. |
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| Author: | Seer of Endor [ September 24th, 2012, 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Aldara Mimetes wrote: *is very excited about the Tower of Babel post* Oh yeah....I did say I was gonna write a post about that didn't I Aldara Mimetes wrote: But on the other hand, 'halfelven' are commanded to nurture and protect. They are the race most deeply rooted in the Creator, and He commanded them to watch over humans (the most fragile) and care for the natural world. This is why, wherever you find human settlement, you will find a clan of 'halfelven' nearby. I call it the Halfelven Great Commission. Neat! Neil of Erk wrote: (and for discussion since it does differ from Seer's way of splitting up the attributes) What I showed in my example wasn't "my way" of splitting up the attributes of God, per se. It was just the attributes that I happened to emphasize in that particular case. That's the great thing about having such an immeasurable God, there's an infinite number of attributes to choose from! |
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| Author: | Rinothean [ February 6th, 2013, 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Wow what an amazing post...I didn't even try to consider this as I am designing my races. I just started and I already see how I can further develop my races, and how I can differentiate them even more. I think it is an important thing to consider when designing your races...it sort of keeps you in check in a way, also to remind yourself of theology: am I implementing Christ within this story. Nice job Seer. Lady PenWarrior wrote: One of the things that bugs me when I read fantasy/talk with other fantasy writers is that they completely ignore the origins aspect. Not just how the world came about, but how it is sound (or unsound) theologically. It's like putting stories in the fantasy category excuses us from having to make God fit into it in a way that actually coincides with what's in Scripture. So it's very, very refreshing to hear your perspective, Seer. I like it when people either make their worlds directly connected to Earth and thus subject to God in that way, or else seperate and unique with a strong emphasis on the symbolism. I have two fantasy worlds: Xystia and The Land. Xystia is directly connected to Earth, with a literal Bible, the same God, Salvation plan, etc. The other is completely symbolic, though it closely mimics reality, which was the intention. Really, it seems to me poor stewardship of the genre, as Christians, when we opt out of figuring out the theological aspects. That's almost the most important part, since it distinguishes Christian fantasy from secular fantasy. If we do it in a skilled way, it won't make our stories any less interesting than if we'd left it out. In short, I wouldn't call it overthinking at all! I think it's great. Your idea is very unique and fascinating, and I'm pretty picky when it comes to this sort of thing. ^.^ I agree with this. Figuring out the theological aspects are very important. |
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| Author: | Blayne B. Trent [ February 8th, 2013, 5:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Well, I have Elves, sort of like angels, my Dwarves are sort of like preachers. Then my Nymphs take care of the plants. |
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| Author: | Rinothean [ February 8th, 2013, 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Lieutenant Mopa wrote: Well, I have Elves, sort of like angels, my Dwarves are sort of like preachers. Then my Nymphs take care of the plants. That's cool, I like your ideas Lieutenant! I was thinking about some elves sort of like false prophets. |
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| Author: | Seer of Endor [ February 12th, 2013, 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Ok, those of you who have looked at my Intense Race-Fractalling System might recall that the first phase was inspired by this particular principle. However, I have recently decided that it was proving more of a hindrance to the system than a help so I expunged it from IRFS 2.2. And I decided since the responses to this thread indicate that some would still be interested in tools for developing their races from a more spiritual perspective that I'd post that part of the old fractalling system here so that those who wish can still play around with it.
I know that might seem a little shallow, but you got to remember that originally it was intended to be only one of four stages in developing your races. And admittedly the redemption section leaves a lot to be desired. |
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| Author: | Lady PenWarrior [ August 5th, 2013, 10:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Theological Insights for Race Creation |
Blayne B. Trent wrote: Well, I have Elves, sort of like angels, my Dwarves are sort of like preachers. Then my Nymphs take care of the plants. I don't know why this made me laugh, but it did. Angels, preachers, and gardeners. That's awesome. Mimetes the Seer wrote: Ok, those of you who have looked at my Intense Race-Fractalling System might recall that the first phase was inspired by this particular principle. However, I have recently decided that it was proving more of a hindrance to the system than a help so I expunged it from IRFS 2.2. And I decided since the responses to this thread indicate that some would still be interested in tools for developing their races from a more spiritual perspective that I'd post that part of the old fractalling system here so that those who wish can still play around with it.
I know that might seem a little shallow, but you got to remember that originally it was intended to be only one of four stages in developing your races. And admittedly the redemption section leaves a lot to be desired. This right here is amazing. I love it; thanks for even coming up with something like this. I sometimes think I could/would write out creation systems like that, but then I distracted writing the story itself. |
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