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PostPosted: January 3rd, 2012, 3:03 am 
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Here are three flora elements found in various environments in Enathal, the world I am building. :)

Two are plants; the last one isn't really a plant, but is a sedentary autotroph--close enough! I had fun trying to tailor them to their environments. The names are placeholders until I figure out more language stuff. Feel free to comment, criticize and/or ask questions.

1. "Balloon Algae"
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I figure this would have evolved from some sort of algae, anyways. Here's how it works. It grows in warm, tropical-ish parts of the ocean, photosynthesizing in the usual manner and absorbing minerals from the water. After gaining a certain amount of mass, it starts a new kind of photosynthesis in which it splits water into hydrogen gas and oxygen gas. It lets go of the oxygen into the sea, but saves up the hydrogen in a growing bladder of a tough, elastic membrane. Soon, enough hydrogen gas accumulates that it bobs to the surface of the water. Now it's in direct sunlight, and can efficiently keep splitting water, making the bladder grow bigger and bigger, until it becomes a balloon that starts lifting itself out of the water. It has trailing stems still dipping in the water, so it keeps sucking up water, splitting it, and inflating the balloon, lifting it higher.
As soon as the trailing stems clear the water, they begin to dry out (they're spongy, so they carry a lot of water) causing the organism's net mass to decrease quickly. Up it goes!
Sailing with the wind, it quickly runs out of water. But there's plenty of oxygen gas around, and it has a store of hydrogen inside itself. So it starts metabolically combusting hydrogen and oxygen, the exact reverse of what it was doing before. This process produces both water and energy to sustain it while it flies. And as it goes, it produces spores and releases them into the wind, scattering them far and wide.
As it uses up its store of hydrogen, it is of course losing its lifting gas. It loses altitude, coming down and down until its trailing stems are caught by a wave, which saturates them with water and pulls the thing securely down, to start the cycle again. If it has the misfortune of coming down on land, it dries out and dies.

It is used by many peoples to produce cheap fuel and lifting gas for airships. I've toyed with the idea of rigging up a large number of them in a net with a tank of water and a cabin below as a makeshift airship itself, but don't know if that's feasible or worth it.

Inspiration from the floating Jellyfish in Kenneth Oppel's second Airborn novel and the floating islands of plants in Bespin's atmosphere, encountered in some of the Young Jedi Knights books.


2. "Water Catcher"
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Environment:
The human-inhabited part of Enathal is a giant, flat disk, with gravity pulling inward on both sides. One side, called Orathal, is earth-like and primarily ocean. The other side, called Ephathal, has little water and plantlife. These plants grow in bare-bedrock-covered regions of Ephathal that rarely receive rain.

The difficulty for plants in this area is that there is little soil to hold water. When rain comes (which is regular but not frequent) it collects in shallow depressions in the bedrock and quickly evaporates, leaving nothing for months. The Water Catchers are the basis for the sparse ecosystem that does exist in these areas, because they hold water down against the heat and dry air.
They grow in depressions where water collects, and when they get a brief feast of water, they suck up as much of it as they can and churn out oil. This oil doesn't evaporate easily and is liquid at local temperature, and it drips down and soaks into whatever sparse sand is around the roots of the plant. Further rains, more oil. After some time (I don't have a good estimate for how long, right now), enough oil will accumulate that incoming water (which is heavier than oil) will sink underneath it and displace it upwards. The oil will now begin to act as a shield against evaporation. This begins a snowball effect (albeit a slow one) where the plant can hold on to more water for longer with each rain. Fast-forward more years, and the mature plant sits in a pool of water with a thick layer of oil on top, and it can now spare the water and energy to attempt to reproduce (Although, more likely than not, other Water Catchers will have already germinated in the pool as it has spread). To make its seeds attractive to the small animals that will carry them, the plant enfolds them in juicy flesh--a small, reluctant offering of water from its precious hoard. And why would the small animals not partake of the pool below, the water not offered? Naturally, the Water Catcher infuses both the oil and the water below with savage poisons.

Travelers who find themselves in this forsaken part of Enathal can subsist largely on the oil and water of these pools, if they have means to remove the poisons. Some creatures may have developed the ability to metabolize these poisons, but predators keep their population in check and thus preserve the pools from overexploitation.

Inspiration from chemistry class.


3. "Coral Trees"
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Environment: plains of cold volcanic ash in Ephathal, cinder cones of dormant volcanoes; specifically in areas too cold for normal plant growth, but where geothermal energy is available.

Water is usually the limiting resource for growth in Ephathal. In cold places, water accumulates as snow--but is useless as long as it remains frozen. These sedentary creatures kill two birds with one stone by using geothermal heat to melt the snow and obtain water, and harvest energy from the temperature gradient as they do it.
The main body is vertical, stretching from the "coral tree" structure at the surface down to the "heart", which is usually as far down as possible. In the center of the main body is a large tube, insulated with fat. On the outside of the insulation, small tubes carry warm circulatory fluid up from the heart. At the coral tree, the heat radiates away, melting any recently fallen snow (pores in the coral tree collect some of the water), and the cold fluid returns down the to the heart, now inside the insulated tube (the fatty insulation prevents it from warming up much on the way down).
At the heart, the cold fluid emerges from its insulated tube, now deep underground. The geothermal heat all around means that the heart holds a very sharp heat gradient. This organ uses thermosynthesis ("geosynthesis", after looking it up, apparently means something entirely different :/ ) to capture usable energy from the gradient.

From the main body, pseudopods extend outwards, secreting acids to dissolve the minerals in the compressed ash and make tunnels. These have two functions. Firstly, they act as secondary circulation and absorb more warmth to be carried back to the heart. Secondly, when a sufficiently warm spot is found at a sufficient distance from the heart, the organism will reproduce by cloning itself at the new location; starting with a new heart and then a new main body digging its way upwards towards the surface. As the pseudopods dig, the dissolved minerals are carried away and deposited as part of the coral tree. The coral tree, with its many lobes, serves to increase the surface area from which the organism can radiate heat while not exposing itself to predators and the elements.

Inspiration from all those little thingies that live near hydrothermal vents the the bottom of the ocean. :rofl:

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The balloon algae is a very interesting type of plant. How big is it, and how is gas extracted from it to be used in airships?

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In my mind's eye, I imagine the balloon section to grow about as tall as a human, not much larger.

I think the factor that would limit their size is the strength of the balloon membrane. Not having yet a final idea for its thickness and composition (and how it holds itself impenetrable to hydrogen gas, which is no mean feat!), I don't have a strong basis for saying how big they should grow.

To tap the hydrogen gas of an individual organism, one would need a length of impermeable hose tipped with a hollow needle, and some way of securing the needle-tipped end to the skin of the balloon (an adhesive patch of some sort, perhaps). One would insert the needle into the balloon, piercing the skin, and then use the adhesive patch--say a patch of leather or fabric smeared with resin--to hold it fast and as airtight as possible. Hydrogen gas will flow through the hose into whatever storage/transport facility exists at the other end. Adding a pressure valve would ensure that the poor thing does not completely collapse, and is able to maintain itself; keeping the tapped organism in oceanwater and sunlight would provide the means for it to keep on producing hydrogen gas. One could envision a large farm of these, kept in a coastal bay, all tapped, with the lines merging into a main feed which could inflate airship envelopes.

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That is a neat fantasy method of getting hydrogen gas. :book:

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I see you posted the second type of plant, and the water catcher is as interesting as the balloon algae. How is the poison separated from the liquid?

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I haven't yet decided on what poisons are present, or provided a convenient means to remove or nullify them. :blush: They simply seem to be a necessary defence mechanism for the plant, and a potential plot element for a story I have yet to write.

Distillation would probably do the trick, though, at least for the water. ;)

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O.O

You are a world builder at heart, I'm sure of it!

This is very well done and very cool, cephron.

Bonus points from me for having diagrams. :Dcc

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Oh my goodness... I'm very impressed. Coming up with stuff like that is not easy, and you've done it brilliantly with all three plants!

Question: How long does it take the Balloon Algae to run out of hydrogen? :D

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You mean its flight duration? I was hoping that it would be able to able to stay up for about a week.

*calculates lifting capacity of balloon, according to "roughly human height" estimate*
= 2.6 kg

*hefts 2 kg jar of peanut butter* Nah, let's say its body is lighter than that...say it weighs 1 kg.

*looks up chart of water use per kg bodyweight per day, but only finds stats for animals* Well, it's not using up water to photosynthesize, it's actually getting water from burning fuel, so perhaps animal stats would work. Average seems to be 100mL/kg bodyweight/day. :book:

*Does math he hasn't touched since chem classes* :shock:

So it turns out that, assuming a dry body mass of 1 kg, and that it requires 100mL of water/day, it looks like it could stay aloft for roughly 10 days. It still wouldn't be completely out of hydrogen at this point, but its weight would have pulled it to the water/ground by then. That's actually a pretty satisfying result! :cool: Maybe the 1kg bodyweight estimate is a little conservative, though.

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*has avoided that kind of math since she finished chem last year* ;)

Yep, I meant flight duration. :D

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Jonathan Garner wrote:
How is the poison separated from the liquid?
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I haven't yet decided on what poisons are present, or provided a convenient means to remove or nullify them. :blush: They simply seem to be a necessary defence mechanism for the plant, and a potential plot element for a story I have yet to write.

Distillation would probably do the trick, though, at least for the water. ;)

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Bonus points from me for having diagrams. :D

The pictures are good, and useful for imagining the plants. :D

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Thank you Airianna, Abby and Jonathan for your encouraging comments! :D

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:shock: ...Wow. This is the kind of worldbuilding I dream of. [teary smile smiley] I am in awe. *applauds*

I am especially fascinated by the coral tree. :D Why would it abandon one of its own tunnels? What kind of predators would the tree have, and how would the predators go about attacking/eating the tree?

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You too?! :o Wow, we are alike in worldbuilding. :rofl:

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Those are awesome! I especially like the algae, I love how it moves around, free floating and then free flying! Are there any creatures that eat these (or at least the parts of them other than the balloon part)?

P.S. Beautiful diagrams, how do you make them? They really help me know what you're talking about, and I've been wanting to make diagrams myself for quite some time now...

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:shock: ...Wow. This is the kind of worldbuilding I dream of. [teary smile smiley] I am in awe. *applauds*
*bows with big stupid grin on his face* This kind of ideas are what makes world building so much fun! If only I could write stories... :P

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I am especially fascinated by the coral tree. :D Why would it abandon one of its own tunnels?
You can think of the tunnels as the inverse of the canopy in a forest. On some kinds of trees, if a lower branch is shaded out by higher braches, the tree stops growing leaves on it. In this case, the lower pseudopods are sucking up the geothermal heat before it reaches the higher ground, effectively "shading out" the higher tunnels (I tentatively believe that this is good science). The pseudopod in the higher tunnel grows cold, so the organism starts reabsorbing it and using the resources elsewhere.

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What kind of predators would the tree have, and how would the predators go about attacking/eating the tree?
I imagine parasitic creatures would burrow into the bony matrix of the coral tree, creating a small home which is warm (because of radiated heat) and has plenty of food--they can periodically tap into the circulatory fluid and suck some out. First rule of parasitism is "don't kill the host", so they would probably take small quantities over long periods. These could in turn be food for small reptiles (hm, maybe they'd have to be mammals. Warm-blooded, anyway) that would browse the coral trees, looking for parasite-holes.

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The names are placeholders until I figure out more language stuff.
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You too?! :o Wow, we are alike in worldbuilding. :rofl:
Apparently! I'd love to hear about your world sometime. Striving for the fantastic within the consistent is an exploit both scientific and artful. :D

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Those are awesome! I especially like the algae, I love how it moves around, free floating and then free flying! Are there any creatures that eat these (or at least the parts of them other than the balloon part)?
Thanks! It think it's my favorite of the three as well, because beyond being a neat concept, it actually has an industrial use which makes it relevant to other aspects of the world! To answer your question, I think several species of fish would be all too happy to eat the spongy trailing stems while it's growing in the water. Once it's in the air, I don't think birds would take much interest in it as food (although maybe small birds could figure out a way to rest on it, holding onto the trailing stems?).

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P.S. Beautiful diagrams, how do you make them? They really help me know what you're talking about, and I've been wanting to make diagrams myself for quite some time now...
MS Paint, version 5.1 (ie. really old! Laugh if you like ;) ). I like it because it doesn't antialias lines, something which--while looking nicer at low magnification--can blur out detail and exact-pixel-measurements.

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Yes, sir! :salute: and thanks again!

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*bows with big stupid grin on his face* This kind of ideas are what makes world building so much fun! If only I could write stories... :P

*laughs* It'll come. Slowly, but it'll come. :D

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(I tentatively believe that this is good science).

It sounds like good science at least. :D

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I imagine parasitic creatures would burrow into the bony matrix of the coral tree, creating a small home which is warm (because of radiated heat) and has plenty of food--they can periodically tap into the circulatory fluid and suck some out. First rule of parasitism is "don't kill the host", so they would probably take small quantities over long periods. These could in turn be food for small reptiles (hm, maybe they'd have to be mammals. Warm-blooded, anyway) that would browse the coral trees, looking for parasite-holes.

Interesting. :book:

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Apparently! I'd love to hear about your world sometime. Striving for the fantastic within the consistent is an exploit both scientific and artful. :D

I have a few things around the forum, but they are all badly in need of updating. :P I've taken a break frecently from worldbuilding my fantasy world in hopes of finishing the background and writing for a poem, but I hope to return to the worldbuilding eventually. :)

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Thanks! It think it's my favorite of the three as well, because beyond being a neat concept, it actually has an industrial use which makes it relevant to other aspects of the world! To answer your question, I think several species of fish would be all too happy to eat the spongy trailing stems while it's growing in the water. Once it's in the air, I don't think birds would take much interest in it as food (although maybe small birds could figure out a way to rest on it, holding onto the trailing stems?).
Yeah, it's a really handy way to get pure fuel for your ships, and maybe explosives?
It'd be pretty cool if birds could perch on them, can the balloon be easily popped? Will the plant die if it is? I was also thinking, maybe you could have fire-breathing sea creatures that eat the things whole, and use the hydrogen to breath fire? Maybe that's a little too crazy... :dieshappy:

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LO- :x I'm not laughing! Seriously though, you do a great job on those, I'm gonna have to check that out on my old PC...I've never used MS paint for anything like that before!


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I imagine parasitic creatures would burrow into the bony matrix of the coral tree, creating a small home which is warm (because of radiated heat) and has plenty of food--they can periodically tap into the circulatory fluid and suck some out. First rule of parasitism is "don't kill the host", so they would probably take small quantities over long periods. These could in turn be food for small reptiles (hm, maybe they'd have to be mammals. Warm-blooded, anyway) that would browse the coral trees, looking for parasite-holes.

Interesting. :book:

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Hahahah! About the special photosynthesis used by the Balloon Algae...I was looking it up to see if it would be chemically unfeasible for some reason... :book:

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1. God thought it up long before I did.
Biological Water Splitting
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A new system is also being developed that uses a metabolic switch (sulfur deprivation) to cycle algal cells between a photosynthetic growth phase and a hydrogen production phase.

This is almost exactly what the Balloon Algae is supposed to do, minus the detail of using sulfur deprivation as a switch.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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That is fascinating, cephron! :D Isn't God's creativity amazing? It's rather difficult to come up with something He hasn't already thought of. :rofl:

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That is really cool! I think that similarity with our world in those subtle mechanical (as in, the way things function) ways is a super good way to make it even more real to you and those that hear about it (as long as they make the connection). :D


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PostPosted: January 15th, 2012, 8:11 pm 
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God thinks up everything before us! It's just not fair! ;)

However, these are still very unique. :D

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PostPosted: January 17th, 2012, 3:37 pm 
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Milly Manderly wrote:
That is fascinating, cephron! :D Isn't God's creativity amazing? It's rather difficult to come up with something He hasn't already thought of. :rofl:
Airianna Valenshia wrote:
God thinks up everything before us! It's just not fair! ;)
Very true! He's the Creator, we just reorganize stuff. So if something's biologically possible and useful, it's probably out there already... xD
RunningWolf, I like your point, too. As a fantasy gets closer to reality, it becomes more restrictive, but it can also be neater (on the science front) and more relevant to us (on the spiritual front).

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cephron wrote:
Milly Manderly wrote:
That is fascinating, cephron! :D Isn't God's creativity amazing? It's rather difficult to come up with something He hasn't already thought of. :rofl:
Airianna Valenshia wrote:
God thinks up everything before us! It's just not fair! ;)
Very true! He's the Creator, we just reorganize stuff. So if something's biologically possible and useful, it's probably out there already... xD
RunningWolf, I like your point, too. As a fantasy gets closer to reality, it becomes more restrictive, but it can also be neater (on the science front) and more relevant to us (on the spiritual front).

That is a very good point, cephron. :)

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RunningWolf, I like your point, too. As a fantasy gets closer to reality, it becomes more restrictive, but it can also be neater (on the science front) and more relevant to us (on the spiritual front).


Yep! It can also make you look at things from a different angle, which can be very helpful especially with spiritual things (if done correctly).


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Good thoughts all around. :)

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