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| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ September 11th, 2011, 4:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Languages that have no predecessor |
I'm going to start looking into making my own languages. The period of Murel's (whose name will probably change once I have a new language) history I'm working on ATM is from shortly before the flood to soon after the flood. There are only two languages in all Murel. One of the languages is the language that has been around since the creation. What should one do differently when he is making a language that doesn't have a previous language to draw back on (i.e. there have been no other languages from which to borrow words/grammar structure)? God bless, Suiauthon |
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| Author: | Andrew Amnon Mimetes [ September 11th, 2011, 6:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
Best way is to make it extremely complicated, as a language which has gradually evolved with lots of grammar patches would be  No, just because it's the first in your world doesn't mean it can't have a real-world equivalent. Maybe base it off of Latin? *is not being helpful  *eru |
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| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ September 11th, 2011, 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
eruheran wrote: Best way is to make it extremely complicated, as a language which has gradually evolved with lots of grammar patches would be But the language hasn't had time to evolve. It might have evolved a little, but if so, the change has been very little from it's beginning.eruheran wrote: No, just because it's the first in your world doesn't mean it can't have a real-world equivalent. Maybe base it off of Latin? I don't know Latin...eruheran wrote: *is not being helpful *chuckles* You are being helpful, you just aren't answering the question. *
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| Author: | Sienna North [ September 11th, 2011, 9:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
I'd suggest something simple, direct-- rather like using the "true name" of things. You might not even have to make up the vocabulary, or make it a limited vocabulary and structure (for who can create perfection, or a word that perfectly captures the essence of things?). Just indicate that such-and-such said the true name of this-and-this. Or some variation on the "true names" idea. |
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| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ September 11th, 2011, 9:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
~Evenstar~ wrote: I'd suggest something simple, direct-- rather like using the "true name" of things. You might not even have to make up the vocabulary, or make it a limited vocabulary and structure (for who can create perfection, or a word that perfectly captures the essence of things?). Just indicate that such-and-such said the true name of this-and-this. Or some variation on the "true names" idea. I think I understand what you're talking about. I'd want to do something like that (especially since the language is given by the angels) except, if at all possible, I'll want to fully develop the language.
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| Author: | Sienna North [ September 11th, 2011, 9:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
Hmmmmm... that's harder then, of course, Sui. *puts on thinking cap* I don't know whether this is something other people can help with or not... I'd suggest starting with vowel sounds. They're usually the backbone of the language. If you're thinking of using sounds outside of the English range, then you'd need pronunciations and notations and such. If you make the vowels organized say, into seven (or some other Biblically significant number) that could be interesting. Or do three. Less is more Then (this is only suggestions, mind) I'd move to consonant sounds. My idea would be to organize the possible sounds into a chart, with vowels forming the rows and consonants the columns. That's more the technical/organizational side, though, I guess. So, observe the world. See the beauty as they would have seen it. Look at nature and see the sounds in it. Then try to represent those forms and colors, shapes and images as sounds. Hard and soft, rough and smooth, velvet and honey. Very practical, yes But you'll be most satisfied with your own imagination, I think, in the end!
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| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ September 11th, 2011, 9:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
Akp! This is complicated. I'm going to need to do some research... |
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| Author: | Andrew Amnon Mimetes [ September 12th, 2011, 6:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
Mark, use this link: http://www.zompist.com/kit.html Memorize it and recite it in your sleep. It's really the most useful resource I've found for conlanging  eru |
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| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ September 12th, 2011, 8:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
Nice. I'm going to see if I can copy and paste it so I can take it with me on my computer during vacation.
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| Author: | Green Mist [ November 22nd, 2011, 3:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
I actually have many words in common with another made-up language in Holy Worlds! My language, Zeldon, and the language Skrac have a lot of similarities
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| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ November 23rd, 2011, 1:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
Cool.
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| Author: | Green Mist [ November 24th, 2011, 12:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
Yeah! So I guess that would be my predecessor... |
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| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ November 24th, 2011, 1:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
Not really. Though I do intend to make the language separate from any Earth language, I was talking about not having a predecessor in an endocosmic sense. In your case, Skrac might be your language's predecessor. It depends on if you based your language off of Skrac or not. |
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| Author: | Green Mist [ November 24th, 2011, 9:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
Well, I didn't really "base it" off of Skrac. If you go to one of the Zeldon threads in the Scriptorium, I have placed a parragraph explaining its similarities with Skrac. |
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| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ November 24th, 2011, 10:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
If you just happened to have similarities, that doesn't mean your language is a predecessor, it mean you suffer at the hands of a coincidence.
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| Author: | Green Mist [ November 24th, 2011, 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
No, it is not a coincidence. We developed our languages together, but Skrac came first. |
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| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ November 24th, 2011, 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Languages that have no predecessor |
Ah.
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