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Author:  Neil of Erk [ June 28th, 2011, 8:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Another Ruritania

I was thinking-yes, I know, that's potentially dangerous, but sometimes, I like to try-and I thought, wouldn't it be nice if the people on HW developed a fictional, enigmatic, not-precisely-located European country (properly called a "Ruritania," as in The Prisoner of Zenda) that we could all use for short stories and novels?

I was thinking we could start with the countries early, say, Roman-Contemporary (when the Romans controlled Europe, more or less) origins, and develop a basic history from there. Then we could flesh it out with all the things that make European countries so fun (political intrigue, revolutions, wars, quaint cultures, and local dialects of a quirky language, for example).

I'm even imagining that we'll discuss how WW1 and WW2 effect our country, etc.

As for locations, we can just assign a general location (Eastern Europe, the Baltics, the Mediterranean, Gaul, etc.), and create our own ethnicity (based on the local ethnics groups, like, say, Slavs, if we chose that region of Europe). I can cover inventing a new European Romance Language (easyness).

Now, we just need a name. Here's some, but please propose more.

Ruria (conveys something similar to Ruritania, Czechoslovakia, Bosnia, Lithuania)

Rurany (Like Normandy, Brittany, Italy, Germany, Hungary...hungry?! :shock: )

Rurain (Britain, Spain)

Note: I happen to like the root "rur". Feel free to propose something completely different. Just make sure it sounds vaguely Euro.

UPDATE

The Poll has been created, using any names which appeared twice the top six-lists.

Author:  Andrew Amnon Mimetes [ June 29th, 2011, 8:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Sounds like an awesome idea. :D Here are some ideas for names:

Nurmania (Normandy, Brittany)

Zaposlavia (before you laugh at me, listen to my Russian. :D Yugo actually means south while zapo simply means west - just an idea. :D West Slav Land)

Aachen (a more German country)

Tuparendi (somewhere near Italy, etc)

Bossoroca (Iberian peninsula; Spain/Portugal)

Just some ideas. :)

eru

Author:  Varon [ June 29th, 2011, 5:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

I'll help!

Would there be anyone here in pre-Roman times?

Some names from a vaguely Latinate name generator:
Ibur
Lucevica
Malynum
Burgitrus
Argror
Eror (Just kidding) :D

WW2 would be interesting for a resistance movement.

Author:  Neil of Erk [ June 30th, 2011, 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

There should be people here in pre-Roman times, but what kind of people will depend on what vague location our name points to.

Author:  Varon [ June 30th, 2011, 2:38 pm ]
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Excellent point.

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 3rd, 2011, 10:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Well, gents, what say we narrow down the list a little? How 'bout we each pick a top six, and eliminate the names which are not included in any list?

My list:

Rurany

Saposlavia

Aachen

Bossoroca

Ibur (I'm thinking Iberian peninsula on this one?)

Lucevica

Author:  Varon [ July 4th, 2011, 7:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Okay, I'll work on a list.

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 4th, 2011, 9:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

I think there should be. Aside from developing the native mythology of the people, we can always have real fantasy elements.

Author:  Varon [ July 4th, 2011, 11:40 am ]
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Very nice. It almost reminds me of the steampunk space opera universe we're doing on HWSF, only fantasy-ish.

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 4th, 2011, 5:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Varon wrote:
Very nice. It almost reminds me of the steampunk space opera universe we're doing on HWSF, only fantasy-ish.


Actually, the steampunk project is what inspired me to this idea.

Author:  Luthien Tinuviel [ July 4th, 2011, 10:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

This sounds neat! Name suggestions:
Recoya
Gita
Regia
Ghia
Foxglovoskia
Digia

Author:  Varon [ July 5th, 2011, 9:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Neil of Erk wrote:
Varon wrote:
Very nice. It almost reminds me of the steampunk space opera universe we're doing on HWSF, only fantasy-ish.


Actually, the steampunk project is what inspired me to this idea.


:shock:

Wow.

Author:  Varon [ July 5th, 2011, 11:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

I'll get a list of six names compiled in the next couple of hours.

Author:  Varon [ July 5th, 2011, 5:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Sorry for the double post, but this way I can see all the names.
Top 6:
-Bossaroca
-Aachen
-Ibur
-Recoya
-Lucevica
-Malynum

Author:  Andrew Amnon Mimetes [ July 6th, 2011, 7:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

I wrote:
Z/Saposlavia (before you laugh at me, listen to my Russian. :D Yugo actually means south while zapo simply means west - just an idea. :D West Slav Land)

Aachen (a more German country)

Tuparendi (somewhere near Italy, etc)


Neil of Erk wrote:
Ruria (conveys something similar to Ruritania, Czechoslovakia, Bosnia, Lithuania)


Varon wrote:
Burgitrus

Malynum


Those are my top six. :)

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 6th, 2011, 8:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Inesdar wrote:
Hey Neil, are we going to keep focusing on the name or can we think of other elements in the meantime?


Let's start working on other stuff.

Author:  Varon [ July 7th, 2011, 8:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Cool. What's first?

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 7th, 2011, 2:33 pm ]
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Varon wrote:
Cool. What's first?

Um...involvement in the Roman Occupation might be a good start.

Author:  Varon [ July 7th, 2011, 3:55 pm ]
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Okay, that makes sense.

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 10th, 2011, 9:38 am ]
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And...I put a poll up!

Author:  Reiyen [ July 10th, 2011, 10:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Does everyone realize that Aachen is an actual city name from the real world? I think it was the capitol or a major city in the Holy Roman Empire of old, and is today a major city, I think, in Germany?

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 10th, 2011, 10:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Reiyen wrote:
Does everyone realize that Aachen is an actual city name from the real world? I think it was the capital or a major city in the Holy Roman Empire of old, and is today a major city I think in Germany?


"Everyone" certainly did not realize this, since I did not realize this. I don't know about "anybody" else though...

Author:  Varon [ July 16th, 2011, 11:23 am ]
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How long is the poll open?

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 16th, 2011, 3:49 pm ]
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Varon wrote:
How long is the poll open?

I didn't set a definite date. Maybe until next Wednesday?

Author:  Varon [ July 16th, 2011, 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Okay.

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 16th, 2011, 11:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Inesdar wrote:
Quote:
Um...involvement in the Roman Occupation might be a good start.


Personally, I think mythical elements are an excellent start *grumbles*. :D


The problem is that I don't want to work on myth until we know what region we're dealing with. Different regions of Europe have very different mythos. (You know that, but I'm thinking out loud.)

Author:  Varon [ July 17th, 2011, 6:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Different regions were also different in the Roman empire.

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 17th, 2011, 3:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

I closed the poll, since it was pretty clear the Lucevica was the favorite. So, we're dealing with an unknown city state in the Italian region, maybe?

Author:  Varon [ July 17th, 2011, 3:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Yes, I think so.

Author:  Andrew Amnon Mimetes [ July 18th, 2011, 7:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Italy is a good place to make a Ruritanian nation because up until recently they were a bunch of small states, thus it's easy to slip one in. :D So, what's next?

eru

Author:  Varon [ July 18th, 2011, 8:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Rome.

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 18th, 2011, 12:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Um...I'm leaning toward working on pre-roman elements first. What if we try to make a basic, pre-Roman history and culture sketch, with focus on the mythological elements? This will require some basic research:

1. Where did the various Italian tribes come from, and why did they ultimately settle in Italy?

2. Exactly what region and ethnicity of Italy would we like? Personally, I'm leaning toward North Italy.

3. What were early Italian myths like?

4. Are we talking about hunter-gatherer tribes, or are we already using crops?

Author:  Varon [ July 18th, 2011, 2:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Okay. I'll do a little digging when I have my computer back.

Author:  Luthien Tinuviel [ July 19th, 2011, 11:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

I think a hunting/gathering group would be neat. I have some more questions to put out there:
1. What are the differences between North and South Italy?
2. Is there anyone else who would like to do mythology? I'm not sure if it's mythology we're talking about right now...

Author:  Neil of Erk [ July 19th, 2011, 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

Mythology is one of the things we're discussing.

Well, aside from the difference in location, a tribe from North Italy would actually be of a different (but still Caucasian and Indo-European) ethnicity than lower down in Italy.

Author:  Varon [ August 4th, 2011, 8:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Another Ruritania

We still in mythology?

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