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| Author: | Seer of Endor [ June 9th, 2011, 4:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Critter Creativity |
Hey gang! Just wanted to share some observations and thoughts about the types of creatures you generally see in fantasy books. It strikes me as very ironic that fantasy authors will go to great lengths to create strange, magical creatures to make their worlds seem more fantastic and exotic but when it comes time to work on the "normal" animals they demonstrate a shocking lack of originality. Almost every fantasy author uses the same basic animals as the normal fauna of their worlds: deer, wolves, rabbits, bears, foxes, squirrels, snakes etc. All of these are animals common to western Europe and North America. C. S. Lewis broke from this pattern a bit by throwing some exotic animals such as apes, cheetahs, and lions into Narnia, but even then the Talking Beasts that usually played the biggest roles were ones familiar to Western Society. If you really want some creative creatures, why not look and see what the Pro has already done and borrow some of them? I'm not demeaning the use of magical creatures in fantasy, I'm just saying that it's more than plausible that a world in which Dragons and Behemoths and Dufflepuds roam freely would have a greater variety of species than just what most Americans are familiar with. Wouldn't it be great fun to have your hero look up from the road he's traveling and see a sugar glider coasting over his head or for the villain to have a pet howler monkey? Another thought is about demystifying fantastic critters. I understand that in a lot of cases the fantastical creatures are rare, but for those that aren't why do the people that live around them still act like they are. For instance, if your world has a creature with the body of a horse, legs of a lion, and head of a tiger, would horses really have been domesticated as pack animals and mounts? I know, that may seem less fantastic and exotic to some, but I think that horse/lion/tiger-riders are a lot more fantasy feeling than a regular cavalry. What if one of your races suddenly discovered that your non-race dragons were really tasty? Would the deer population be able to sleep in safety? I know there was something else I wanted to add, but I've had this post open for hours and I can't remember what it is, so I'm just going to post it and hope I remember the last thought later. Hope this helps! |
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| Author: | Elly [ June 9th, 2011, 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
That was really interesting, Seer! Thank you! |
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| Author: | Leandra Falconwing [ June 9th, 2011, 9:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
Very interesting, Seer! Probably one thing to think about when it comes to adding in more exotic animals is the climate, though. You don't find monkeys running around in the forests of the U.S., after all. |
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| Author: | Seer of Endor [ June 9th, 2011, 10:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
The thing is that there are exotic creatures from similar climates. There are temperate forests in Asia as well at about the same latitudes as some of our forests. So wildlife from there would probably be able to survive here. But seriously, pulling from the variety of critters in our own country would still be doing better than most. |
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| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ June 10th, 2011, 2:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
Very interesting. *leaves thread mulling over topic in mind* |
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| Author: | Leandra Falconwing [ June 10th, 2011, 10:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
Seer wrote: The thing is that there are exotic creatures from similar climates. There are temperate forests in Asia as well at about the same latitudes as some of our forests. So wildlife from there would probably be able to survive here. But seriously, pulling from the variety of critters in our own country would still be doing better than most. That makes sense. Good point. |
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| Author: | Riniel Jasmina [ June 10th, 2011, 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
I am now very glad that I decided to keep the secretary birds of the western plains |
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| Author: | Andrew Amnon Mimetes [ June 10th, 2011, 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
This is very interesting, very interesting indeed. I would like to point out that I feel somewhat justified in using horses as means of transport. Horses are (or were) the worldwide choice for carrying humans. When you look at beasts of burdens, I can only think of camels that otherwise commonly carry humans. Plus, horses are fast thus good for traveling. However, your point is well-taken. Perhaps we could take ordinary animals like monkeys, etc and give them unique cobha to our world eru |
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| Author: | Sienna North [ June 10th, 2011, 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
eruheran wrote: I would like to point out that I feel somewhat justified in using horses as means of transport. Horses are (or were) the worldwide choice for carrying humans. When you look at beasts of burdens, I can only think of camels that otherwise commonly carry humans. Plus, horses are fast thus good for traveling. Alpacas and llamas? Seer, that was definitely a thought-provoking post. Animals like pandas would survive pretty well in a modified temperate climate. Which makes me consider how I can change my bear-like gorra to be more panda-like... |
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| Author: | Manda Kondrael [ June 10th, 2011, 3:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
A very thought-provoking post! I haven't yet decided what sort of animals are in my world (though I need to) but this has given me some cool ideas of what to put in it. |
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| Author: | Riniel Jasmina [ July 5th, 2015, 12:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
Many fantasy stories have people riding lizards, dragons, wolves, and catamounts. Having some with apes and monkeys would be interesting. Another way to diversify is to change up the roles between fish, amphibian, reptile, bird, and mammal. Granted, fish is harder to do unless you work with sea people, but instead of mice, why not have a kind of starling hopping through the walls and sneaking into the house to eat your grain and build nests. People could ride giant toads, watch out for burrowing stingrays as they cross the field, have bats come out at night that look like winged chameleons rather than winged mice, or have groundhogs that change color to stay hidden as the move about. A fun one I plan on doing is having all mammals, birds, and fish be gryphon or mer type creatures, always a mix between at least two of those kinds. Woodpecker squirrels, hummingbird mice, and jay foxes. |
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| Author: | Lady Abigail Mimetes [ July 5th, 2015, 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
Rinja wrote: watch out for burrowing stingrays as they cross the field, I love this. |
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| Author: | Varon [ July 13th, 2015, 6:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
I'm addressing this by going a few steps backwards through the fossil chain, drawing from long extinct creatures and either using them directly or an unmodified version. Part of that is because I'm not aiming for a super-fantastical world. It's supposed to be relatively familiar since it's an off-set alternate universe of our world. It makes things really different to think about how humans would respond and culture would change because of these creatures. For example, I have the titanaboa living in some of my swamps. It's an extinct 50 plus foot long snake that's between 4 and 5 feet wide. It can eat humans and sharks. Not something you usually see in a fantasy novel, but it existed in real life. It adds a good twist without having to mix any creatures together. Or, reality is weirder and scarier than fantasy. Giant sloths, you know. |
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| Author: | Lady Heather [ July 14th, 2015, 8:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
Now that is thought provoking, why not have giraffes and other such animals? I see your point. In Meridia I used a Burmathon a giant snake big enough to eat a human! Im sure they no longer exist a fiberglass replica was on display at a nature museum in Washington DC. I also used Spidras (spi-dra) short I. Giant spiders that release toxic fumes to paralyze and disorient their prey. I used giant scorpions much like the ones in Merlin and I used a Kirin. And I created the Swyrvel a Snake like creature with bat wings face and ears. The bite of one can cause torment anxiety regrets of the past etc.... eventually causing their victims to die from all of it. |
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| Author: | Lady Heather [ July 14th, 2015, 8:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
Varon wrote: I'm addressing this by going a few steps backwards through the fossil chain, drawing from long extinct creatures and either using them directly or an unmodified version. Part of that is because I'm not aiming for a super-fantastical world. It's supposed to be relatively familiar since it's an off-set alternate universe of our world. It makes things really different to think about how humans would respond and culture would change because of these creatures. For example, I have the titanaboa living in some of my swamps. It's an extinct 50 plus foot long snake that's between 4 and 5 feet wide. It can eat humans and sharks. Not something you usually see in a fantasy novel, but it existed in real life. It adds a good twist without having to mix any creatures together. Or, reality is weirder and scarier than fantasy. Giant sloths, you know. Titanaboa is the snake I used but gave it a different name |
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| Author: | Lady Abigail Mimetes [ July 15th, 2015, 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
Can I claim the giant toads? |
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| Author: | Riniel Jasmina [ July 15th, 2015, 1:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
All yours. They would be excellent to ride into battle, because if frogs are prodded in their front ends too much, they bite the thing that is doing the prodding. |
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| Author: | Lady Abigail Mimetes [ July 15th, 2015, 1:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
Lady Kitra Skene wrote: All yours.
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| Author: | Lady Heather [ July 27th, 2015, 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
| Author: | sheesania [ September 20th, 2015, 11:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
Brandon Sanderson's epic fantasy series The Stormlight Archive is a nice example of an author being creative with the types of animals on his world. The planet where the SA is set, Roshar, regularly experiences extremely violent storms called highstorms. As a result, most animals are more like crustaceans than mammals, with shells that can protect them from highstorms. So people have giant shell creatures pulling carts, little shelled creatures for pets, etc. There's a hilarious scene in one book where a native Roshari protagonist is talking with a worldhopper who is originally from another planet: Quote: "A bunny rabbit and a chick went frolicking in the grass together on a sunny day."
"A chick...baby chicken?" [the Roshari] said. "And a what?" "Ah, forgot myself for a minute," [the worldhopper] said. "Sorry. Let me make it more appropriate for you. A piece of wet slime and a disgusting crab thing with seventeen legs slunk across the rocks together on an insufferably rainy day. Is that better?" |
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| Author: | Lady Abigail Mimetes [ September 29th, 2015, 11:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
I want nudibranch-riding merpeople. Just because. For real though. Or maybe flying nautilus...never mind, I'm using that. |
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| Author: | Riniel Jasmina [ September 29th, 2015, 11:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
How do you make a slug giddyup though? You dig your heels in, and it just jiggles. |
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| Author: | Lady Abigail Mimetes [ September 30th, 2015, 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Critter Creativity |
By putting slug food on a branch and holding it out in front like in cartoons. |
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