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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ January 8th, 2011, 4:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Dinosaurs |
Everyone speaks of dragons, the fire-breathing reptilians of flight, but what of their earthbound kin, dinosaurs? It seems everyone glazes over these majestic creations in favor of their fairytale cousins. Fire-breathing or not, wingless or otherwise, dinosaurs once walked this earth and are willing candidates for our novels. If we like to feature dragons, why don't we include some of the other breeds of overgrown reptiles as well? (I am of the school of thought that believes dragons probably were a breed of dinosaurs.) Let's talk about dinosaurs! What do you like about dinosaurs? Have you ever successfully worked dinosaurs into one of your tales? Any tips or suggestions for including dinosaurs that you'd like to share? I've tried to put dinosaurs into a couple of my stories, but since the dinosaurs didn't play a part in the main plot, they felt underdeveloped. One day I will succeed, though. |
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| Author: | Riniel Jasmina [ January 8th, 2011, 8:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I have Behemoths and Leviathans in my book. I'm not a huge fan of using the T rex because it's slightly over done these days. I think dinosaurs work fabulously well as mounts as long as there is a good reason they can be tamed. The Iguanadon is a favorite as mounts go. They're herbivorous, small enough size for keeping near a civilized area and their front legs are long enough to walk on hind legs or all fours. |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ January 9th, 2011, 12:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Yes! I've always thought dinosaurs, breeds with the approx. build you described, would make excellent mounts. I discovered a humongous, gorgeously illustrated book of dinosaur breeds at the library the other day... when next I attempt to write about dinosaurs, I will have to use it for inspiration. There's such a lovely variety. Also, I think we as writers could take the liberty of designing our own breed, since most of the "breeds" as we know them are built from incomplete skeletons, AFAIK. It's not a stretch to tweak the combinations a bit. |
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| Author: | KathrineROID [ January 9th, 2011, 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
http://specfaith.ritersbloc.com/ This Christian guy writes dinos. I haven't read any of his books. I just found his site by accident while looking for Speculative Faith, not SpecFaith. I'm of the "dragon legends came from stories of dinosaurs" view. My mom and I were talking one day and we wondered if there was some way for dinosaurs to have emitted something that looked like smoke that led to the "fire-breathing dragon" idea. Anyway. I've never been big on fantasy creatures or aliens in my stories, fantasy or sci-fi, to have tried dragons or their ancestors, dinosaurs. It's an interesting idea. Quit giving me short story ideas. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 9th, 2011, 2:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
My blog article on dragons (undergoing construction) will deal with some of these things. |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ January 9th, 2011, 4:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Thanks so much for the link, Droid! And I claim no liability for the short story ideas. I believe the Bible makes reference to a dinosaur/dragon-like creature breathing fire (or something like), and I also think there are some other currently-living creatures that can generate fire or perhaps smoke. I can't remember the details, so don't cite me on that. Airianna, you need to stop dropping hints about this dragon series, or the entire realm of HW will be after you to release more details! |
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| Author: | KathrineROID [ January 9th, 2011, 4:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
*leads realm of HWers to Val* We want MORE! We want MORE! |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 9th, 2011, 4:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
*chuckles* I promise it is on my to-do list. I just happen to have a lot on my to do list. Most of which is self inflicted I promise the series is being worked on, and I will let everyone know when it will post. As a side note, if you rise up against me, I'll cease writing the post |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ January 9th, 2011, 4:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I've got an idea using dinosaurs, and so far it hasn't worked out, but I'll keep trying to develop it. We are waiting as patiently as possible, Airianna. |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ January 10th, 2011, 1:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Well, since I have an idea of how overloaded Airianna's to-do list is - as well as a keen awareness of my own - I won't get after her. As long as she doesn't turn my thread into a war zone. What was your idea, Jonathan? Most of my ideas involved integrating dinosaurs into every day life, usually serving as mounts and pack animals. I just haven't been able to develop it enough to make it seem realistic. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 10th, 2011, 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
So long as everyone surrenders to me, no wars will break out |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ January 10th, 2011, 3:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Philadelphia wrote: I have an idea of how overloaded Airianna's to-do list is So do I. I get tired just thinking about it. Philadelphia wrote: What was your idea, Jonathan? Most of my ideas involved integrating dinosaurs into every day life, usually serving as mounts and pack animals. I just haven't been able to develop it enough to make it seem realistic. It's such a crazy idea, I would rather not say. Basically it mixes several genres together, and dinosaurs are part of it. |
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| Author: | Whythawye [ February 24th, 2011, 7:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. Yep, dragons can breath fire, at least some kinds can. I have dinosaurs in Ithelak, yes. In particular they populate the wilds of the mountains in Tskarnor, and are bred for riding by the Tskarnorian riders and by the riders of Southern Minor. |
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| Author: | Lord Kieren Mimetes [ March 14th, 2011, 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I don't have any in my book, but I have thought about it. |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ December 20th, 2011, 1:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Aubrey Hansen wrote: I've tried to put dinosaurs into a couple of my stories, but since the dinosaurs didn't play a part in the main plot, they felt underdeveloped. One day I will succeed, though. And it will be fun to read when you do. |
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| Author: | Calista Bethelle [ December 20th, 2011, 1:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
*Chuckles* I agree. |
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| Author: | AzlynRose [ December 20th, 2011, 2:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I've never heard of dinosaurs in fantasy before, but it sounds very neat. |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ December 20th, 2011, 6:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Way to go resurrecting old threads, Jonathan! *makes sure she's subscribed this time* Dinosaurs aren't used much in fantasy to my knowledge. All the more reason to try! |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ December 20th, 2011, 8:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Aubrey Hansen wrote: Dinosaurs aren't used much in fantasy to my knowledge. All the more reason to try! Exactly. |
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| Author: | The Bard [ December 22nd, 2011, 2:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I have 9 breeds of "dragon" in my fantasy world. But only one breed is like a traditional dragon. The rest are basically dinosaurs. |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ December 22nd, 2011, 3:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
That's absolutely awesome, Joe. |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ December 31st, 2011, 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I want to have a Raptorish breed of dinosaur, but I won't be calling them dinosaurs. I might invent some others too, later on. |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ December 31st, 2011, 10:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
That sounds fascinating! |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ January 1st, 2012, 12:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Were you talking to me Aubrey? Lol, I wasn't sure, but regardless, you made me think up a lot more details for my raptors, so thanks for that even though you probably weren't talking to me. If not, just ignore this huge post... They'll be set up similarly to the T Rex, running on two legs, but their front 'arms' will be very useful for ripping into enemies while on the fly, sort of a hit & run technique, then a bite with their super-strong jaws when it sees a good opening. They'll look probably black to dark green, maybe with yellow markings or something like that (I'll have to think on that more). They are intelligent, talking beasts after a certain age (how about ten years old?), so many of them are like untalking beasts for a long time because the part of their throat that is used for making sounds continues to develop long after they reach the level of development needed for fighting, hunting, etc. They are extremely fast, you know how a fish can 'disappear'? These can do that too, though they don't camouflage, they're just really fast and agile. They work in packs, forty five of them could probably pull down a Balrog if all went well for them. They often serve as companions to the Rangers, the third-born, long-living men who seem to have been given a gift for making friends with animals. Sometimes they serve as guardians for younger children, usually staying out of sight when their charge is a girl (many girls don't really think much of a close friendship with a huge lizard Their lifespan is several hundred years, often living as long as the hardy race of the third-born mentioned above. Thanks for asking me for more details, it really helped me develop them faster (I tend to put things off sometimes)! I made a lot of these up just now--what do you think of them? I'm going to add these to my notes... |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ January 1st, 2012, 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I was indeed talking to you, and that was utterly fascinating. How big are they? It sounds like they might need to be a bit smaller than the average t-rex, since they are so agile. |
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| Author: | cephron [ January 1st, 2012, 3:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Aubrey Hansen wrote: Most of my ideas involved integrating dinosaurs into every day life, usually serving as mounts and pack animals. I just haven't been able to develop it enough to make it seem realistic. Have you read any of the Dinotopia series? They do just this, with the added aspect that most dinosaurs are as intelligent as humans and work on equal footing with them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinotopia ![]()
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ January 1st, 2012, 3:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I have not heard of that series, so I will definitely have to check that out. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 1st, 2012, 9:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I watched the movie. It was cool. New Agey, and a scene I so could have lived without (plus I hate the love triangle), but very fascinating and well done. |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ January 1st, 2012, 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Airianna Valenshia wrote: I watched the movie. It was cool. New Agey, and a scene I so could have lived without (plus I hate the love triangle), but very fascinating and well done. I remember a certain scene, too. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 1st, 2012, 9:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I may have to look into it. Did it still have the love triangle though? I hate those. |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ January 1st, 2012, 11:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I don't remember. This thread has got me interested in it, so I might reread it. |
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| Author: | cephron [ January 2nd, 2012, 12:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I haven't seen the movie, myself, but I read a bunch of the books as a kid. I don't recall a love triangle in the main books, the ones following Arthur Denison & co. In retrospect, it's more steampunk than medieval, but steampunk still overlaps with fantasy (and the talking dinosaurs certainly does!). |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ January 2nd, 2012, 4:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Aubrey Hansen wrote: I was indeed talking to you, and that was utterly fascinating. How big are they? It sounds like they might need to be a bit smaller than the average t-rex, since they are so agile. Thanks for showing interest in them! Yes, they are mostly quite friendly except when aroused, then they are very dangerous indeed. Now, something I forgot to say about them is that they are quite small, maybe about four feet tall, so they aren't used for mounts (unless maybe something else that's also small does...hmm I'll have to think on that). Usually it will guard the child while they are young whenever they are outside (children are usually allowed to go out into the woods, this way they learn early on to be comfortable in them, but their parents aren't always able to watch out for them, which is when these raptors come in). When the child grows older, the Raptor will usually become a lifelong companion, almost like a dog, but a little more behind the scenes, if that makes any sense at all. Those girls really have no idea, I know! But I'm hoping that some of them will, through various circumstances, learn of their secondary protectors and learn to like them! |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ January 2nd, 2012, 7:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Four feet? I so want one. How big of a prey could one raptor take down on his own, given their size? |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ January 5th, 2012, 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I've been thinking about that...I think one could take down anything it can get its claws into, by itself it would have a decreased chance of course. Hmm...one could easily kill a minotaur if it surprised him, by leaping onto him, cutting his chest with the claws on its feet and slashing its neck/throat with the claws on it's 'hands'. Two or three or more would have a good chance of doing harm to a dragon if they caught one on the ground and it wasn't an especially old (and therefore experienced) one. I would say they are very clever and dangerous fighters, especially for their size. Speaking of size, they do get up to four feet tall, but they start at about 1.5 feet, and then grow reasonably fast until they reach about 2.5 feet, then they very slowly continue to grow, it takes about three hundred years for them to get to four feet tall...they don't really die of old age, similarly to dragons, they get killed, or sick, and die, but until then they are very able warriors/guardians. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 5th, 2012, 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Okay, I just wanted to point something out. Having bred and raised Great Pyrenees as guard dogs for our goats, I can tell you an animal who is raised with something (child or goat kid) will fight to the death for their charge. See, we would raise our Pyres with the goats. So eventually the Pyre (pack animal) sees the goats as their family. They begin to think that they are a goat, actually. So they sleep with the goats (I have some funny pictures of goat kids cuddles up with those massive fluff balls), try to eat the goat's hay, and they will even try to steal kids during birthing (which is why you have to be there. They would never hurt the kids, but they won't let it go to its mother and eat because they want to adopt the kid). Bottom line? These dogs, though larger than the raptors, are vicious enemies and loving guardians. We once had our lead guard dog, Garrison, attacked by a large pack of coyotes. He tore into them and defended the herd. He was abscessed (his ear was swollen to three times its normal size), bleeding, and areas of his coat were hairless, but he didn't lose a single goat. I firmly believe that a guardian has more strength than an adversary. They have more to lose, so they fight harder. They have more drive, so they persevere to the last of their strength. I imagine your raptors could take down a pretty impressive foe, especially because they are raised as guardians. This isn't an occupation. This is a life purpose. |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ January 5th, 2012, 5:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Exactly! They are stronger and faster than you'd think from looking at them, and make up for not being as strong as some with their tenacity, cleverness, and, as you mentioned, the 'guardians drive to protect' or whatever you want to call that. P.S. I love dogs, that is so cool that they were sleeping with the goats and stuff, and awesome that he could protect them from a pack of coyotes! |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 5th, 2012, 5:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I agree. He was a very good boy. Course, he was mine, so I like to praise him. I live vicariously through his achievements. |
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| Author: | Seabird Mimetes [ January 5th, 2012, 8:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
In my personal opinion, people naturally connect the presence of a dinosaur to prehistoric times. It's what kept me from putting anything like that in my stories. It just... conflicts with the story in rather... annoying ways. However, I managed to get away with my dragons looking dinosaur-like. I have giant fish in my story world... does that count? I personally think that prehistoric and fantasy are two different genres that must be handled carefully to bring together. Si-fi and normal fantasy are divided into their separate categories for this reason. I'm sure it's possible! It just... Doesn't click for me. I find it hard to visualize a scientist and an elf together. However, my friends once worked on this RPG about scientists and other military people traveling to Illudia, a planet frolicking with dragons, elves, blue plants, and other mysteries. It's proof that these two contradicting subjects can be co-used in a story. Allow me to give an expert as an example... (Oh by the way... The words in the [ ] is dragon speak.) Seabird wrote: Meri: Bored beyond boredom. She paws a bush beneath her claws, frightening a little family of pekingsee drakions. She mutters a quick apology and ventures farther away from her mother’s den in the clearing behind her. Deciding that since her father was out with Rodney, and her mother was up in some tree, she could sneak out. hee hee Morgan: *He wakes up, the mourning light bouncing off his last piece of useful armor, a breastplate made of the finest and lightest metals found on earth. His wife.... *(No... I mustn't think of her...) *Despite his best efforts he couldn’t shake off the memory of their last moments together... How she caressed his chest with her paled and frail fingers before- Out of nowhere a hot-red lizard with leathery, fuzz covered wings lands silently on the polished floor. He ducks his head and scurries under Grawn’s dragon sized table, complete with table cloth to conceal him of course.* Meri: Once at the spectrum lady’s cave, Meri tentatively pokes her head in. Psshhh mother’s kidding. There’s no on here. But she sees a shuffle in the far corner of the dark den. Its not the spectrum lady, too small. She blinks her eyes, trying to see better. The copper lids echo lightly through the cave. Another couple more seconds and she decided she was mistaken. Quickly she scurries back into the safe outdoors and hides behind a large blue fern that does little to hide her. Morgan: *The feathered devil creature flew off just as quickly as it came, fluttering away in a playful way, spinning in the air and dancing with wings stretched out. Morgan crept out of his fortress of cloth and wood. He scratched his head, wondering what the heck that was. It sounded like it had said something in the dragon language but Morgan couldn’t make much sense of it. His brain was still adapting to the native speak. The threat was gone so he took to asking Grawn what the bird thing was. But... Grawn wasn’t in the cave. A stiff breeze blew in and a large sheet of paper-like material landed at his feet. Symbols of sorts covered it. It was a note. Even his translator couldn’t make it out.* (It’s probably about why she left. Oh well! I’m about to do that myself.) *He grabbed a fur from his bed along with some dried food from a ceramic pot that tasted like fish. His wound no longer hurt so he didn’t bother putting on any ointment. He stashed his food in a well sized bag he salvaged from the back of the cave. He then proceeded to continue his journey of running... Running from what he caused.* Meri: Cocks her head at the odd creature leaving the cave. She had seen two-leggers before, basilisks who walk in their odd way, waddling like birds, legs stuck out as if attached to a stiff stick, and two other appendages hanging uselessly. But this two-legger walked differently, as if his legs were as efficient as dragon’s, with joints, but still his forelegs hanged pointlessly at his side. How does he balance? Meri murmured to herself. He seemed safe, though, and Meri was debating whether or not to leave her scant shelter when her pekingsee friends flew out at the two-legger, twittering in circles a good 2 feet from his head. Morgan: *He needed to get to a place that wasn’t effected by the war... He wanted to forget all about it. He just wanted things to go back to the way they were. He tromped through the undergrowth in a fashion in order to scare off any bad-hearing creatures and alert them of his presence. It was a technique used in order to avoid startling a bear, but he hadn’t seen any bears. Anyway, there wasn’t any harm of doing it, as long as he kept a weary eye for any good-hearing dragons and the other beasts that roamed the area. The flying creatures that flew out of some undergrowth startled him. They approched him in a curious but wary manner. He was well annoyed by their presense. He began to wave his arms around in an attempt to scare them off. He also progressivly moved away from them in order to just get away from the nunsince. In doing this, he didn’t see the root in front of him and tripped over it. He landed with a grunt into the dirt. The flying creatures flew above, not sure what do next. Morgan rose to his knees and spat dirt out of his mouth and cursed at his luck while sighing angerly.* Meri: The poor creature was fleeing her flying friends, flapping his useless appendages over his head. When he tripped, Meri shook her head at his foolishness. She crossed the distance between them in two less-than-graceful flying leaps, and, turning her head to the side to see him better, opened her copper eye wide with a click, revealing bright purple eyes. Are you alright, she crooned softly, as she would to any little creature. Seven years old and nearly six feet long, she was hardly much bigger than the creature, but it was hard not to pity the broken one in front of her. And besides, she thought haughtily, she was only a few years from dying. Then she’d be much bigger than she was now. Morgan: *He continues to growl at his luck with unsavory words and then glances up at the sky to relax himself. But instead of seeing a blue sky dotted with fluffy clouds, he sees a large red bird with bright purple eyes!* {Waahhh!} *He fell onto his back, startled. The lizard-bird spoke softly to him.* At least the language is becoming easier to dissect! Wait... This bird speaks the same language as Grawn! Is she some sort of dragon? Nah... *He decides to talk back, wondering all the while if the red... bird might decide to make him breakfast or not.* {I’m... fine. Uh... You’re not going to eat me, right?} *The language felt strange on his tounge, making rolling sounds and clicks that felt odd, but were speakable through the human mouth. The birds that were pestering him flew over to the bird, like she was some sort or shield. The voice was fememine so he assumed it was female... There wasn’t any way to tell the gender, not with this creature.* Meri: He speaks! Meri stepped back cautiously. Whipping her tail uncertaintly, she said, [ You have a terrible accent] The birds that were pecking him flew to her. [shhhh, its ok], calming them down. [who are you? … do you know the spectrum lady? my mother says she’ll lock me up in a swamp bubble if she finds me in her cave!! Did the spectrum lady lock you up in a bubble? Rodney, he was in one once. He says they’re really smelly. You’re really smelly.......but then again Rodney’s always smelly, cause he’s a boy. Are you a boy?] Good luck solving the dinogan (dinosaur-dragon) paradox! |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ January 5th, 2012, 11:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Amazing points. I agree that dinosaurs aren't a common animal in fantasy, Seabird. If you want to follow genre conventions for fantasy, you're probably better off sticking with dragons. |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ January 5th, 2012, 11:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Thank you, Aubrey, for showing interest in them and most of all, for making me think so much about them! I know what you mean about wanting one...can get depressing sometimes, can't it? But I'm glad we live in a world where we would have time to make fantasy worlds (something you probably wouldn't have as much time for if you lived on a farm in Vadras, five hundred miles away from the nearest town, and had werewolves as neighbors)! |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 6th, 2012, 12:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Quote: In my personal opinion, people naturally connect the presence of a dinosaur to prehistoric times. Yes, I would agree that, unfortunately, this is people's natural assumption. It shouldn't be, since man and Dinosaur lived together for many, many years, but they do think it all the same. |
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| Author: | cephron [ January 6th, 2012, 1:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Airianna Valenshia wrote: Yes, I would agree that, unfortunately, this is people's natural assumption. It shouldn't be, since man and Dinosaur lived together for many, many years, but they do think it all the same. Well, to be fair, there's a good chunk of Christians who wouldn't hold that dinosaurs coexisted with mankind. Theistic evolutionists, for example. I don't know where "Old earth" Creationists would stand on the matter... |
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| Author: | Seabird Mimetes [ January 6th, 2012, 1:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
cephron wrote: Well, to be fair, there's a good chunk of Christians who wouldn't hold that dinosaurs coexisted with mankind. Theistic evolutionists, for example. I don't know where "Old earth" Creationists would stand on the matter... Oh... Don't get started on THAT. My brain hurts just thinking about it... >.< |
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| Author: | cephron [ January 6th, 2012, 1:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Seabird wrote: Oh... Don't get started on THAT. My brain hurts just thinking about it... >.< Yes, agreed. I'm not trying to stir up debate (wrong forum for it, anyways), just pointing out the varying opinion (even within orthodox Christianity) on the matter. I hope doing that much is ok. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 6th, 2012, 9:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Oh I know all the different theories. However, the Bible talks about Dinosaurs during Noah's time, so you can't really argue it away. Man and Dinosaur coexisted, and God created all things during creation. |
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| Author: | Calista Bethelle [ January 6th, 2012, 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
cephron wrote: Seabird wrote: Oh... Don't get started on THAT. My brain hurts just thinking about it... >.< Yes, agreed. I'm not trying to stir up debate (wrong forum for it, anyways), just pointing out the varying opinion (even within orthodox Christianity) on the matter. I hope doing that much is ok. *Smiles* You're fine, cephron. We're not here to quench the truth, or your opinion, for that matter. Don't feel like you can't speak up. A little more on topic, I agree with Philli - sometimes the uniqueness sells the book. But, the trick is to be unique in the right way. Rather like you said, Birdie. It has to be done carefully in order to get the feel that you want. |
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| Author: | Novadar [ January 6th, 2012, 12:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
Ever since reading this post I have been toying with the idea of mounts for my desert peoples, and a velociraptor-style creature would do really well. Due to the dry conditions, however, I would probably give them a tan color with brown stripes, and they would probably have down-like feathers to protect their skin from the scorching sun. They would be swift and deadly, and the riders would wear only light armor and carry long lances. They would be trained to respond to the commands of their rider with a small set of reins that don't connect to a bit on the mouth, but rather a small piece of harness between their front "arms" almost like a neck-rein configuration on a horse, where the creature responds not to the pressure of the bit, but rather the pressure of the reins on its neck. They can also communicate easily with the other creatures in an attack pack, through different squeals and clicks and body language, so they can coordinate their attacks and if the rider is killed they will continue to work with the rest of the pack to continue fighting until a retreat is called or they are killed. I like the idea of lifelong bonds with each rider, but I don't want to steal anyone else's thunder, so I'll either think of something else, or get it to work in a different way... |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 6th, 2012, 1:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
That sounds really cool. |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ January 6th, 2012, 1:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Dinosaurs |
I love that idea! It sounds very realistic and suitable given the culture of your desert peoples. On lifelong bonds, as Airianna explained, it's not unusual for animals to develop a bond with their owners. So if you wanted to have some of your riders experience a bond with their animals, that's perfectly within reason. You don't have to make it "magical" or a "rule" - that is, all of your dinosaurs don't have to have lifelong bonds with their rider. Just focus on your particular character and his animal, and the circumstances that brought them together. Maybe they're even the exception to the rule, and they developed a bond when other riders usually don't. I hope that made sense! |
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