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 Post subject: Of Ald'Mon's and Dae'mon's
PostPosted: January 12th, 2012, 6:03 pm 
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Yo! What up? It's me again, with more info on Ska'Lah'Seh and its unique allegorical mythology.
If you don't already know what Ska'Lah'Seh is, Ska'Lah'Seh, meaning sky, land, and sea, is a christian rpg scenario and hopefully mmorpg that I am working on.
I'm still looking for partners, so contact me if you want to help.

Spirits in Ska'Lah'Seh:
The spirits in Ska'Lah'Seh are supernatural beings created by God with specific purposes. They can be considered akin to angels for allegorical purposes.
But tend to behave more like nature spirits in there duties. They allegorical represent God's power over natural law, whether it be moral or scientific, in nature.
Sadly, however, not all spirits wish to obey God and go off on there own but we will get into that.

Ald'Mon:
Spirits are separated into two groups: Ald'Mon and Daemon (Angels and Demons). Deva comes from Hindu and is the oldest term used to describe what we know call angels.
In Ska'Lah'Seh, the Ald'Mon are the spirits that serve God. They are spirits of nature and morality.
Some may be spirits of forests or rivers, while others spirits of faith or love. Ald'Mon serve the Lord by fulfilling their duties that, of course, can put them at odds with us humans, who often disrespect nature, and the price can be steep. Just as the price is in the real world, this modern age and the Bible have many references to that, so that should come as no surprise.

Daemon:
A Deva is their purpose, and without it, a Ald'Mon is nothing.
In this universe, the source of all existence is God, and so it is in Ska'Lah'Seh, if a Ald'Mon rebels it stops existing.
In order to maintain its existence, a Deva will start preying on human existence or quintessence (Soul).

Becoming a Daemon:
There is nothing cute and cuddly about these wicked beings. If they take a life, it is to instill fear or hatred. If they promise you something, it is in exchange for a wickedness and thus a part of your soul. They sometimes trick mortals into worshiping them as gods.

The Three Ald'Mon Lords and the Dae'mon Prince:
In Ska'Lah'Seh, there are three Ald'man Lords. Think of them as archangels from the catholic viewpoint.
Extremely powerful Angelic beings, who Govern over the sun, the moon and the earth, see lesser gods below the one God for more info. There is also a forth Ald'Mon Lord who fell from grace and became the most powerful Daemon of all Mammon.

Mammon, or the Prince of Daemons, is the oldest and most powerful Daemon born from a Ald'Mon Lord who governed over a distant sun who became jealous of mortals free will.
Mammon devoured their solar system is a massive black whole. Mammon know wonders the stars seeking to gobble up any world with free willed beings. One day it came upon Ska'Lah'Seh, attracted by the wickedness of the third empire but God had laid a trap for Mammon.
God had taken the form of a mortal man and as Mammon attempted to swallow the world.
God thrust himself into Mammons jaw.
SO great was God's power that Mammon's physical form, the black whole, imploded along with God, whom escaped unharmed.

Questions, comments, or concerns?

Sorry it took me so long. I was working on Legend of the Light Dragon.

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 Post subject: Re: Of Deva and Daemons
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Fascinating. I like the way things happen at the end.

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PostPosted: January 13th, 2012, 12:18 pm 
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Yah I wanted a good Christ allegory. I figured that in Ska'Lah'Seh I'd just make Jesus triumphing over the devil a bit more literal. Plus I love the imagery of Jesus standing on a cliff facing down a black hole like its just some punk who doesn't know how to hold a knife.

Also I am renaming Devas Ald'Mon which means good spirit in the language I'm creating for this world.

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 Post subject: Re: Of Deva and Daemons
PostPosted: January 17th, 2012, 11:36 am 
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Hey Dawn!

I just wanted to let you know that as this topic is more suited for the Peoples, Races and Tribes area of the forum, I'm moving this thread there. Carry on. :D

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Yes, thank you.

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Hey Dawnbringer, I'd be interested to hear more of the theology of God's incarnation and defeat of Mammon. Is there an aspect of it which mirrors Jesus's atonement for the people? What are the implications of Mammon's defeat, beyond the immediate rescue of the planet? But perhaps in a different thread!


On topic, here are some questions that arise from reading your description:

1) What are the metaphysical properties of the Deva/Daemons? (eg. do they exist in a single location at any given time, or does their existence transcend space and/or time? Can they "injure" or destroy each other, and how? Can they attempt to suppress each others' wills in the physical world if they had different plans about something?

2) In what ways can they interact with the physical world? What are the limits on these abilities? What's an example of a task God would give to a Deva, and how would it go about fulfilling it?

3) Aside from Mammon's black hole, do they manifest themselves in other ways? Do they ever appear in human form, and in what circumstances would they do that? Does any kind of manifestation affect their abilities and/or spiritual status?

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Hey Dawnbringer! I'm quite interested in your project. I can't remember what kind of help you were specifically looking for, but I am experimenting with modeling and would like to learn some programming in the future...in the meantime I'd like to keep hearing about your project. What kind of help do you need? I could help brainstorm about the world-building and story aspects for now. Just let me know if you need help!


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cephron wrote:
Hey Dawnbringer, I'd be interested to hear more of the theology of God's incarnation and defeat of Mammon. Is there an aspect of it which mirrors Jesus's atonement for the people? What are the implications of Mammon's defeat, beyond the immediate rescue of the planet? But perhaps in a different thread!


On topic, here are some questions that arise from reading your description:

1) What are the metaphysical properties of the Deva/Daemons? (eg. do they exist in a single location at any given time, or does their existence transcend space and/or time? Can they "injure" or destroy each other, and how? Can they attempt to suppress each others' wills in the physical world if they had different plans about something?

2) In what ways can they interact with the physical world? What are the limits on these abilities? What's an example of a task God would give to a Deva, and how would it go about fulfilling it?

3) Aside from Mammon's black hole, do they manifest themselves in other ways? Do they ever appear in human form, and in what circumstances would they do that? Does any kind of manifestation affect their abilities and/or spiritual status?


That was a lot. But let's get crack-en!

First off I will post more about the Christ allegory with the history thread but I'll give you some basic significant here. Whene God destroyed the Black Hole, Mam'Mons Physical form, it cut off Mam'Mons power over the physical domain. Making Mam'Mon essential powerless. (Sound familiar?) Also It was Mam'Mon's Mans sin that drew Mam'Mon to Ska'Lah'Seh to devour it in destroying that threat God is essential wiping clean that sin. Also by God taking Human form God draws us closer to Him.

Know for your first question like humans Deva (Know being referred to as Ald'Mon "Good Spirit") have both a physical and spiritual form. An Ald'Mon's Physical form can be destroyed through its spiritual form is eternal as its duty (because its power is from God). However Dea'Mon (Evil Spirits) can be destroyed forever because there physical form is a reflection of its spiritual form which is mainly just quintessence (Spirit/Reality) (or Quin in the old tongue) drained off of Humans there source is finite and so if you manage to destroy a Dea'Mon's Physical form, you've nailed it. Of course most prefer to control dead bodies or hide themselves in humans (Not possession though they may, course there are victims). Mam'Mon is only able to exist in the spiritual realm due to being unable to form a physical body because it's last was mortally wounded.

Ald'Mon Interact in the world as there duty dictates as protectors of some sacred or important natural wounder or landmark. Which can leave them at odds with mortals at times. Or in order to promote a particular kind of righteous behavior. Sometimes they are sent to guard precious artifacts of great power in order to make sure they don't fall into the wrong hands or make sure they fall into the right ones. They can even be created only to deliver a single message. Their power extends only as far as there duty requires it to. While Dea'Mon attempt to sow pain and suffering, weakening souls so their spirit is free for the taking. They are only as powerful as the spirit they devour. Something that fades from there grasp returning to God all to fast for there taste. Sometimes they make deals with mortals for there Quintessence in exchange the Dea'Mon will "serve them" but that always ends badly. Very, very badly.

As for your final question, yes Mon (Spirits) take many forms from angelic messenger to tiny animals to celestial bodies. One thing is certain, though normal people usually freak out when they get to close. The most certain way to know if a spirit is an Ald'Mon or Dea'Mon (Angel or Demon) is this: Does it ask for your aid? Does it promise you something? Does it talk like a lawyer? Will it give you straight non-cryptic answered when asked about God, Heaven, Or other matters of the spirit. Does it attack you? Does it try to seduce you in any way? If the answer to any of these questions is yes, its a Dea'Mon. Ald'Mon Tend to speak straight forward unless addressed about spiritual truth which are met with cryptic answered in order to preserve free will. Dea'Mon will be cunningly deceitful and will answer with a straight forward lie when asked about spiritual truths.

I hope that was illuminating.

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