First and foremost I will not be using any quotes or references on this but the argument should be pretty self contained. I may eventually begin taking quotes and references but right know I just wanna stretch my legs a bit to explain my reasoning.

Atheism at its core, despite the arguments often made to the contrary, is a belief system, and belief systems are based on our desires. No world belief system is purely objective and based on logic. Logic can be used to reason out and explain beliefs and give context to what they truly boil down to.

However Atheism or at least most Atheists would argue to you that Atheism is all about logic, that it is the only rational and logical way of being, and no where is this more evident than their attempted monopoly on science.

Like The Medieval Church of Old, Atheist especially the New Atheists would like you to believe that Science and Atheism are interchangeable, and that to believe anything else, is to deny science and reason.

But this is where the argument falls short, Logic and Science are objective, they MUST be objective to work properly. However Atheists want to treat Science as there doctrine and Logic as there God. This undermines the objectivity of Logic and Science. As Logic and Science MUST by there vary nature remain objective. However by tacking them onto a belief system weather it be the medieval church or the New Atheists the result is the same.

This means anything that somehow contradicts Atheist opinion weather it be scientific or philosophical in nature. Cannot be Logical or Scientific by default, thus anything that might undermine that opinion cannot be true. This is not good, it allows an Atheist to automatically throw away any opinion or scientific concept if it in any way contradicts there opinion.

Great point, Dawnbringer!

This also makes sense metaphysically because although we can differentiate between mind, heart, and will in the human soul (logic/intellect, emotion, and choice), all human action rises out of the whole soul - all of those three, in conjunction and unity with one another.

So also with regard to atheism. It is (and can be) no more purely logical than any other belief or action that we hold or undertake to perform.

Pure logic in the human mind does not - cannot - exist. It is always accompanied by what we WANT to believe, and what we CHOOSE to believe.

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Well the titles a bit misleading As honestly this is not an inherent problem with Atheism so much as a vary common problem that stems from one of atheism core issue (A lack of real substance). They cling to science as a doctrine because they lack any naturally occurring doctrines or core beliefs to cling to beyond a disbelief in God (If it where a simple lack of belief it would be agnosticism). Furthermore Atheism is often bred out of a need for control and the ability to explain everything, If they take the naturalist rout and claim everything that is and ever will be exists within the confines of what can be observed and explained I.E. Science. They do not need to explain or deal with anything that cannot I.E. The supernatural. Lovecraft is a perfect example of this line of reasoning as is Richard Dawkins, Hawking is a much more honest Atheist/naturalist and at least admits to his reasoning, as is Lovecraft actually... In fact he used the Horror he saw in the Unexplained to become immortal.

None of this really invalidates Atheism mind you simply underlines a growing problem.

People often think Science Vs. Religion when In truth its often Naturalism Vs Religion waters that are further muddied by the debate of Fundamentalism Vs Science.

And the problem is only getting worse. I just ask so many of these people to look at the way the Medieval church acted toward any science not found in there doctrine and understand that this can happen with any belief system even atheism. In fact you could Argue that Atheism is uniquely vulnerable to this phenomenon as many consider Atheism by its vary nature a more rational and clear minded approach to philosophy regardless of how true that statement may or may not be.

It is interesting how intellectually dishonest atheism can be simply for the sake of fulfilling one's desires. I don't mean that atheists are lying to themselves because if they were really logical, they would be Christians, but they lie to themselves, so they're not. Even an intellectually honest atheist might not follow the line of thinking far enough, or might not explore the right sources to become Christian on their own.

Still, many atheist scientists admit when discussing faith that they are afraid of the notion of God, or admire the idea of believing, but do not want to do so. Usually these cases come back to the fact that they do not want any authority standing in the way of them fulfilling their more lustful desires. On the one hand, you would not expect a faith lauded as so consistently objective to boil down in this way; on the other, fallen human nature is hardly a surprise either.

I would have to argue that from a purely logical stand point one would most likely fall into the grounds of Deism or Agnosticism. To entirely reject desire and emotion in the greater scheme of philosophical knowledge is a foolish notion, we need emotion and desire to give us context to tell us what is favorable in our own eyes, without if we have no way of knowing what is preferable how can we determine what is necessary.

My argument is that in applying there beliefs to science , they are poisoning its rational basis. However so many atheists don't understand that, they think of there beliefs as logical at there core without considering that their beliefs are also based in emotion, that like all beliefs the core is a mixture of Cold Logic and fiery Passion.

The dishonestly is not inherent to Atheism, however the basis that atheism is inherently only logical at its core, is what leads to the dishonest viewpoint.

The best example as I have put it is not Atheist but people like Dawkins "The New Atheists" who are the biggest proponents of this. However, i would have to agree with you that most all atheists are on some level guilty of this, however sadly you could say the same of anyone with a deeply held belief.