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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ June 2nd, 2012, 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Fantasy set on Earth |
I have a fantasy idea for a story, which I won't share right now; however I wanted to set it on earth. Is it possible to do that, I mean would it be very complicated or do you think it's fine? What complications should I look out for if I'm going to do this, or can I literally play it as I like really? Thank you! 
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| Author: | Aragorn [ June 2nd, 2012, 6:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: I have a fantasy idea for a story, which I won't share right now...  Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: I wanted to set it on earth. Is it possible to do that, I mean would it be very complicated or do you think it's fine? What complications should I look out for if I'm going to do this, or can I literally play it as I like really? It can get complicated to figure out how the fantastical elements fit into our world, but it's possible to do. Harry Potter is probably the most well-known series to do it. It's hard to say how complicated it would be in your case without knowing the premise. |
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| Author: | Novadar [ June 2nd, 2012, 7:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
I also toyed with this idea, I was going to solve the problem of complicatedness by setting my continent in the Pacific ocean between Asia and North America. I was going to have the dwarves withdraw into the core of the earth and then destroy the continent to keep the humans from spreading across the globe (they failed). But eventually I discarded that and set the book in a separate universe... |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ June 2nd, 2012, 7:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
You'd have to look out for some things...depending on what your premise is...if there are other races you have to figure out how they could fit into God's plan here...how do they get saved? When were they created? etc...but I guess I don't know how to get specific since it could be that you won't have any fantasy races on it...but there could be any number of issues like that...which is why I don't like the idea of much fantasy on earth...I think C.S. Lewis did a good job of it though, in The Silver Chair, but that was a tiny scene... I could try to help more when I know more. 
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ June 3rd, 2012, 3:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Ok, well thanks for the thoughts guys. I'll update this post once I have thought about it, when I get back on Wednesday. |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ June 3rd, 2012, 3:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
You're welcome. Okay. 
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| Author: | Crushmaster [ June 3rd, 2012, 3:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Depends on how you're going to do it. Theological implications (other human-yet-not-human races; elves, dwarves, etc.) are going to abound, unless you use a dimensional gate or something. Even then some things could be difficult - there's no such thing as "good" magic in this world, for instance.  Though, that could be fun; they try to use magic, but they can't. God bless, Joel ><>. |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ June 3rd, 2012, 6:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: Ok, well thanks for the thoughts guys. I'll update this post once I have thought about it, when I get back on Wednesday. You're welcome. Good! 'Cause now I'm all curious... 
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| Author: | Aragorn [ June 3rd, 2012, 7:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Lycanis Mimetes wrote: Good! 'Cause now I'm all curious... Me, too.
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| Author: | Elijah McGowan [ June 4th, 2012, 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
The definition of fantasy is that it's not of this world, it's fantastic. But you could use something that looked just like earth as we know it for your fantastic story. That's what Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings both do. Or you could link it to this planet like Lewis does with Narnia. The options are endless. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ June 9th, 2012, 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
The biggest issue I have with fantasy set on earth is how magic is dealt with, and the implications of fantasy creatures having a soul here on our earth. I mean, Jesus did not die for the dragon or the unicorn..... Those are my only real struggles with having a fantasy story set on earth. Can it be done? Yes. But it takes a lot of skill and care to do it well, in such a way that does not go against what the scriptures teach. |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ June 9th, 2012, 11:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Airianna Mimetes wrote: The biggest issue I have with fantasy set on earth is how magic is dealt with, and the implications of fantasy creatures having a soul here on our earth. I mean, Jesus did not die for the dragon or the unicorn..... Those are my only real struggles with having a fantasy story set on earth. Can it be done? Yes. But it takes a lot of skill and care to do it well, in such a way that does not go against what the scriptures teach. Exactly. An example of this is the Dragons in Our Midst series...I really enjoy the books, but it makes it sound like dragons are a sentient race from Earth's past and that they can be saved (and even turned into humans for a time.) |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ June 9th, 2012, 2:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
If dragons are just like big crocodiles, and unicorns are just special horses, it would probably be fine.
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ June 9th, 2012, 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Right. But that is often not how we portray them.
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ June 10th, 2012, 5:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
This is interesting! Thank you so much for all the help guys.I aim to have a talking Dragon in my story as planned at present; I think you can use a talking dragon, without implicating that dragons have souls, right? This has certainly given me some food for thought. If need be, I can probably use a different world, maybe. I'd prefer to set it here though, although I have thought that they could get here via portal, or something like that. I'm not sure. |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ June 10th, 2012, 9:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: I aim to have a talking Dragon in my story as planned at present; I think you can use a talking dragon, without implicating that dragons have souls, right? It's possible, but in the real world it seems like the soul is required to be able to talk and think at the level humans and other sentient beings (angels, etc) do. Also, anything able to think and speak at our level would be capable of sin at our level as well...so...I guess that's something to consider (not sure what all the implications of that are, I'm not smart enough to really expound...except it seem like the more intelligence you have in this world, the greater capacity you have to sin, and the more serious your sin is, and the more punishment you earn from God...I think). Um...anyway, I hope that's helpful somehow.
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| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ June 20th, 2012, 2:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: I aim to have a talking Dragon in my story as planned at present; I think you can use a talking dragon, without implicating that dragons have souls, right? I plan on having a soulless race in one of my fantasy stories (though it isn't set on Earth). We should create a thread for this and drag Katie into it...
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| Author: | Aragorn [ June 20th, 2012, 4:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Yes... Since the soul issue could be considered equally true in a fantasy world, it might deserve its own thread. |
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ June 23rd, 2012, 8:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
That would be a good idea! Someone should start a thread up about it. Lycanis Mimetes wrote: Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: I aim to have a talking Dragon in my story as planned at present; I think you can use a talking dragon, without implicating that dragons have souls, right? It's possible, but in the real world it seems like the soul is required to be able to talk and think at the level humans and other sentient beings (angels, etc) do. Also, anything able to think and speak at our level would be capable of sin at our level as well...so...I guess that's something to consider (not sure what all the implications of that are, I'm not smart enough to really expound...except it seem like the more intelligence you have in this world, the greater capacity you have to sin, and the more serious your sin is, and the more punishment you earn from God...I think). Um...anyway, I hope that's helpful somehow. I know some people don't like animals talking, but it's not something I've ever been bothered about. Like Beatrix Potter books, all those animals talk etc. I don't always think I have to look too deeply at the implications, at least I never have up to now, but maybe I'm wrong there? |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ June 23rd, 2012, 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: That would be a good idea! Someone should start a thread up about it. Lycanis Mimetes wrote: Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: I aim to have a talking Dragon in my story as planned at present; I think you can use a talking dragon, without implicating that dragons have souls, right? It's possible, but in the real world it seems like the soul is required to be able to talk and think at the level humans and other sentient beings (angels, etc) do. Also, anything able to think and speak at our level would be capable of sin at our level as well...so...I guess that's something to consider (not sure what all the implications of that are, I'm not smart enough to really expound...except it seem like the more intelligence you have in this world, the greater capacity you have to sin, and the more serious your sin is, and the more punishment you earn from God...I think). Um...anyway, I hope that's helpful somehow. I know some people don't like animals talking, but it's not something I've ever been bothered about. Like Beatrix Potter books, all those animals talk etc. I don't always think I have to look too deeply at the implications, at least I never have up to now, but maybe I'm wrong there? Hmm...I really don't know either, I just stated my opinion. I guess my advice would be to look into the implications simply to be careful, if that makes sense? I actually like some books that have talking animals in them...it's just that they've caused some philosophical knots in my brain when I try to imagine "what if that were real?" like I do with so many stories.  So...yeah just be careful, do what you believe is right in the end.
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ June 23rd, 2012, 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Lycanis Mimetes wrote: Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: That would be a good idea! Someone should start a thread up about it. Lycanis Mimetes wrote: Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: I aim to have a talking Dragon in my story as planned at present; I think you can use a talking dragon, without implicating that dragons have souls, right? It's possible, but in the real world it seems like the soul is required to be able to talk and think at the level humans and other sentient beings (angels, etc) do. Also, anything able to think and speak at our level would be capable of sin at our level as well...so...I guess that's something to consider (not sure what all the implications of that are, I'm not smart enough to really expound...except it seem like the more intelligence you have in this world, the greater capacity you have to sin, and the more serious your sin is, and the more punishment you earn from God...I think). Um...anyway, I hope that's helpful somehow. I know some people don't like animals talking, but it's not something I've ever been bothered about. Like Beatrix Potter books, all those animals talk etc. I don't always think I have to look too deeply at the implications, at least I never have up to now, but maybe I'm wrong there? Hmm...I really don't know either, I just stated my opinion. I guess my advice would be to look into the implications simply to be careful, if that makes sense? I actually like some books that have talking animals in them...it's just that they've caused some philosophical knots in my brain when I try to imagine "what if that were real?" like I do with so many stories. So...yeah just be careful, do what you believe is right in the end. *Chuckles* I am glad you shared your opinion, makes me think of things I never have before and ponder them some. 'Tis something I will surely think about. Thanks!
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ June 23rd, 2012, 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: Lycanis Mimetes wrote: Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: That would be a good idea! Someone should start a thread up about it. Lycanis Mimetes wrote: Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: I aim to have a talking Dragon in my story as planned at present; I think you can use a talking dragon, without implicating that dragons have souls, right? It's possible, but in the real world it seems like the soul is required to be able to talk and think at the level humans and other sentient beings (angels, etc) do. Also, anything able to think and speak at our level would be capable of sin at our level as well...so...I guess that's something to consider (not sure what all the implications of that are, I'm not smart enough to really expound...except it seem like the more intelligence you have in this world, the greater capacity you have to sin, and the more serious your sin is, and the more punishment you earn from God...I think). Um...anyway, I hope that's helpful somehow. I know some people don't like animals talking, but it's not something I've ever been bothered about. Like Beatrix Potter books, all those animals talk etc. I don't always think I have to look too deeply at the implications, at least I never have up to now, but maybe I'm wrong there? Hmm...I really don't know either, I just stated my opinion. I guess my advice would be to look into the implications simply to be careful, if that makes sense? I actually like some books that have talking animals in them...it's just that they've caused some philosophical knots in my brain when I try to imagine "what if that were real?" like I do with so many stories. So...yeah just be careful, do what you believe is right in the end. *Chuckles* I am glad you shared your opinion, makes me think of things I never have before and ponder them some. 'Tis something I will surely think about. Thanks!Yeah, I know what you mean. You're welcome! =D |
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| Author: | Sam Starrett [ June 27th, 2012, 2:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
What would be your problem with granting that dragons have souls? |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ June 27th, 2012, 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Samstarrett wrote: What would be your problem with granting that dragons have souls? On Earth? Because the Bible doesn't really provide for any animals to have souls...I suppose this should be discussed in a different thread, huh? 
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| Author: | Aris Hunter [ June 27th, 2012, 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
N.D. Wilson's Ashtown Burials: The Dragon's Tooth is set on Earth. So's the 100 Cupboards (same author), in a way, but the Dragon's Tooth book more so. |
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| Author: | Sam Starrett [ June 27th, 2012, 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Lycanis Mimetes wrote: Samstarrett wrote: What would be your problem with granting that dragons have souls? On Earth? Because the Bible doesn't really provide for any animals to have souls...I suppose this should be discussed in a different thread, huh? Well, part of this depends on how we define "animal," but it is certainly true that there are non-human beings that will exist forever (angels). Whether you'd quite say they have a soul, I don't know. If dragons could have souls, where in the Bible would you expect to find it? |
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ June 27th, 2012, 9:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Samstarrett wrote: Lycanis Mimetes wrote: Samstarrett wrote: What would be your problem with granting that dragons have souls? On Earth? Because the Bible doesn't really provide for any animals to have souls...I suppose this should be discussed in a different thread, huh? Well, part of this depends on how we define "animal," but it is certainly true that there are non-human beings that will exist forever (angels). Whether you'd quite say they have a soul, I don't know. If dragons could have souls, where in the Bible would you expect to find it? Well, it seems like souls are given to beings that God wants a more personal relationship with...and it seems like God only treated humans (angels too) that way in Genesis...also it seems like having a unperishing soul is one of the ways that we are in God's image. (is it okay to discuss this here? Is it relevant enough to the topic?) |
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ June 28th, 2012, 9:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
I think as long as you're staying pertinent to the topic and helping Elanor, you should be fine. However, if you would like to discuss souls in detail, go to Theology (and pray no redheads follow you).
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ June 28th, 2012, 10:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Eleutheria Mimetes wrote: I think as long as you're staying pertinent to the topic and helping Elanor, you should be fine. However, if you would like to discuss souls in detail, go to Theology (and pray no redheads follow you). Okay thanks.
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ July 12th, 2012, 2:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Well, after weighing up both ideas, I think I've decided to go with creating my own world (I'm actually going to use Tevo), so I'm not hampered by worries about using earth. It will work out better in the end anyway, I think.
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| Author: | Aragorn [ July 12th, 2012, 2:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Sounds good.
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ July 12th, 2012, 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Well, I figured I've done quite a bit of work on it, so I might as well use it. Even if I don't use all of it.
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ July 12th, 2012, 3:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Very cool! I'm looking forward to hearing more about it. 
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ July 12th, 2012, 4:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
*Smiles* I don't plan on sharing much about it for now. I shall keep you all in suspense.
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| Author: | RunningWolf [ July 12th, 2012, 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: *Smiles* I don't plan on sharing much about it for now. I shall keep you all in suspense.
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ July 12th, 2012, 5:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
*Chuckles* |
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| Author: | Aragorn [ September 6th, 2012, 11:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fantasy set on Earth |
Lady Elanor Mimetes wrote: I figured I've done quite a bit of work on it, so I might as well use it. Even if I don't use all of it.Yes.
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