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| Author: | RunningWolf [ February 28th, 2012, 3:09 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Improving My Writing | 
| I need to improve my writing...I think I'm acceptable as far as spelling but I have trouble with sentence structure (really loooong sentences seem to get into my stories sometimes), formatting, and just plain everything else (I don't even know what to call my insufficiencies...). This is partly because the main knowledge I draw upon for "good writing" is simply experience reading. As you can see, this would help with spelling and even some grammar, but not necessarily so much with some of the other things. So my question is this: what are some resources you'd recommend a homeschooler check out to improve on these things (without help from parents, sometimes they aren't sure about something either!). | |
| Author: | Aleena Mimetes [ February 28th, 2012, 3:27 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| I had the same problem...Here are some of my favourites (all available on amazon) The Art and Craft of Writing Christian Fiction,(Jeff-Don't know his last name) I have the book "If You Want to Write" (Brenda Ueland) haven't looked at it yet... Writing Magic, Creating Stories That Fly. (by Gail Carson Levine) And I bet if you google "(Your favourite author goes here) tips for writing" You'll get plenty. Also, if you sign-up, Jill Williamson can send you writing tips. ~Aleena | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ February 28th, 2012, 3:32 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Awesome, thanks! I'll check those out.  Oh, I can't seem to find the place to sign up to Jill's writing tips...can you link to that? | |
| Author: | Lady Elanor [ February 28th, 2012, 6:03 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| This has been moved to Villiage Lore.  Carry on! | |
| Author: | John Garrett [ February 28th, 2012, 9:48 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| These two books are both incredibly useful... http://www.amazon.com/Self-Editing-Fiction-Writers-Second-Yourself/dp/0060545690 http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Style-4th-William-Strunk/dp/0205313426 I consider them two of the best books on writing. There are several others that are also excellent that deal more in-depth with different aspects of writing (dialogue, characterization, etc.), but these two will help most people improve greatly. I hope they help. | |
| Author: | Aleena Mimetes [ February 29th, 2012, 12:40 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| I'm really sorry Wolf, but I can't find it...  She changed her blog/website around. Anyway there's still plenty of useful stuff on there. (also, HWs podcast is FULL of great advice...  ) | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ February 29th, 2012, 10:49 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| John Garrett wrote: These two books are both incredibly useful... http://www.amazon.com/Self-Editing-Fiction-Writers-Second-Yourself/dp/0060545690 http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Style-4th-William-Strunk/dp/0205313426 I consider them two of the best books on writing. There are several others that are also excellent that deal more in-depth with different aspects of writing (dialogue, characterization, etc.), but these two will help most people improve greatly. I hope they help. Thanks John! Just ordered those from the library too! Aleena wrote: I'm really sorry Wolf, but I can't find it...   She changed her blog/website around. Anyway there's still plenty of useful stuff on there. (also, HWs podcast is FULL of great advice...  ) That's ok, you're right, there is still other stuff there, and you already suggested some books, so thank you! | |
| Author: | SeyatassDragonDaughter [ February 29th, 2012, 2:31 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Quote: Writing Magic, Creating Stories That Fly. (by Gail Carson Levine)  Oh my gosh!!!   I love her!!! I have read parts of that book and it was really helpful!!! (I didn't have it long enough to read the whole thing.  ) One of my favorite quotes is from her (And from that book!) "It takes a mean author to write a good story."   | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ February 29th, 2012, 2:45 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Viarri wrote: "It takes a mean author to write a good story." I believe it! These are good suggestions, can't wait to see them in person! | |
| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ February 29th, 2012, 11:09 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| This book is an amazing help for me in revision. I literally went through it with a bunch of highlighters.  I will warn you, though, that it's not totally clean. There are a few language and content issues (mostly in the excerpts she provides), so use discretion. http://www.amazon.com/Manuscript-Makeov ... 466&sr=1-1 And this, if you can in any way afford it (warning - the first price I found was $300), is one of the best writing resources I have ever found. I adapt much of it to suit my own purposes, but still the information is solid and it's even Christian! If you can just get the Compass (the textbook) it's worth it. I don't know of any place that sells it alone though.  http://www.oneyearnovel.com/ And the best resource ever is read. Read classics, read modern, read as many different authors and genres as you can get your hands on. Read Kipling. Read Kathy Tyers. Read Kate Constable. Read Sharon Hinck. Read Jeffrey Overstreet. Poke your head in the Watchtower, find something that intrigues you, and read it! Make sure to keep a lookout while you're reading for things you like that the author does. Be conscious of what techniques they use for suspense, character development, plotline, backstory. This is something that has to be learned. So get at it.   | |
| Author: | SeyatassDragonDaughter [ March 1st, 2012, 9:17 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
|  Oh my gosh!!  I am actually doing this curriculum!!  It really helps A LOT!  (It is supposed to be for high-schoolers.  But I convinced Mom to get it for me anyway.  XD)  And yes, this is one of THE best things you can get! Hmmm I haven't been keeping up with it lately... I should get back on track!   - toodles off to do school - | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ March 1st, 2012, 11:15 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Lady Eruwaedhiel wrote: This book is an amazing help for me in revision. I literally went through it with a bunch of highlighters.   I will warn you, though, that it's not totally clean. There are a few language and content issues (mostly in the excerpts she provides), so use discretion. http://www.amazon.com/Manuscript-Makeov ... 466&sr=1-1 And this, if you can in any way afford it (warning - the first price I found was $300), is one of the best writing resources I have ever found. I adapt much of it to suit my own purposes, but still the information is solid and it's even Christian! If you can just get the Compass (the textbook) it's worth it. I don't know of any place that sells it alone though.  http://www.oneyearnovel.com/ Thanks for those links! I will check those out. By the way, which specific resources from one year novel do you have, if you don't mind my asking? I had heard of the one year thing, but hadn't heard how good it was! Lady Eruwaedhiel wrote: And the best resource ever is read. Read classics, read modern, read as many different authors and genres as you can get your hands on. Read Kipling. Read Kathy Tyers. Read Kate Constable. Read Sharon Hinck. Read Jeffrey Overstreet. Poke your head in the Watchtower, find something that intrigues you, and read it! Make sure to keep a lookout while you're reading for things you like that the author does. Be conscious of what techniques they use for suspense, character development, plotline, backstory. This is something that has to be learned. So get at it.   Yes sir!..er, yeah...  I have a stack of Ted Dekker books from the library so I am well equipped to begin this assignment!   Viarri and Skyburner wrote: :O  Oh my gosh!!  I am actually doing this curriculum!!  It really helps A LOT!  (It is supposed to be for high-schoolers.    But I convinced Mom to get it for me anyway.  XD)  And yes, this is one of THE best things you can get! Hmmm I haven't been keeping up with it lately... I should get back on track!   - toodles off to do school - I'm glad to hear it's working well for you too! That's a good sign that it'll help me too (if I can get it)! | |
| Author: | Elly [ March 1st, 2012, 11:31 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| There are a lot of helpful threads in Village Lore as well. Here are some of them.  Descriptive Writing Perspective Varying Sentences and Sentence Structure English as used in the older centuries Writing Loud Sounds First Chapters/Lines | |
| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ March 1st, 2012, 1:05 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| I think I have the whole thing. The DVDs are nice, but not really necessary. The Compass is the part that helps most, I think. And I've never used the workbook.   | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ March 1st, 2012, 6:12 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Elly of Zoriah wrote: There are a lot of helpful threads in Village Lore as well.  Here are some of them.   Descriptive Writing Perspective Varying Sentences and Sentence Structure English as used in the older centuries Writing Loud Sounds First Chapters/Lines Thanks for the links! I had forgotten about village lore...I will have to read those!   Lady Eruwaedhiel wrote: I think I have the whole thing. The DVDs are nice, but not really necessary. The Compass is the part that helps most, I think. And I've never used the workbook.     Ok, cool, thank you! | |
| Author: | Suiauthon Mimetes [ March 12th, 2012, 2:27 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Another thing that will help is to just continue practicing writing. Recently I've been thinking on things that are along the same lines as what you have said, and what I'm doing to try to help (other than reading -- you can't beat that  ) is to rope a few friends into giving me writing exercises. Practicing on meaningless shorts and/or various challenges will, in time, do wonders. | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ March 12th, 2012, 9:10 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Yeah, I have a friend that used to go to my church that I told just yesterday to bug me about writing so I will be motivated to do it! I agree, if it's "meaningless" then you're more likely to "just do it" and not agonize over every single thing about it...hopefully I'm going to get some work done on an idea for short stories I could try to write like every few days or so.   Thank you for the reply! | |
| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ March 12th, 2012, 10:05 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| I recently did a Podcast interview with OYAN creator. It will be released this week, if you want to listen in about the program. | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ March 12th, 2012, 1:18 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Cool! I'm looking forward to that, the podcast has always been helpful, encouraging and inspirational for me.   | |
| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ March 12th, 2012, 1:37 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Glad to hear it! | |
| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ March 12th, 2012, 4:01 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
|   You ... interviewed ... Mr. Schwabauer?? *jumps in the air* YES!! *fistpump* I cannot wait to hear that! | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ March 12th, 2012, 4:18 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Airianna Mimetes wrote: Glad to hear it!   Eleutheria Mimetes wrote:   You ... interviewed ... Mr. Schwabauer?? *jumps in the air* YES!! *fistpump* I cannot wait to hear that!   | |
| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ March 12th, 2012, 5:00 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| *laughs * Yep, I did. He was fun. Grace has it edited and I will be posting it very soon. This week, actually. Tomorrow or Wednesday.   | |
| Author: | kingjon [ March 13th, 2012, 9:55 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| For a long time I was reading every book about writing I could get my hands on; I can't really recommend that approach as such as some of them were probably a waste of time and I would have been better served just writing instead, but I do recommend reading a variety of such books. A few in particular: Damon Knight's Writing Short Fiction, Fowler's Modern English Usage (which is a reference book rather than something you'd just sit down and read cover-to-cover, but is often tremendously funny as well as being insightful and apt), and Writing to Sell by Scott Meredith (though I've only read a long-out-of-date edition). For the technical issues I noticed you had most consistent trouble with in your Writing Circle entry last month, I suggest you try copying Scripture; the translators of the RSV, NIV, etc., are generally very careful about sentence structure, proper punctuation of dialogue, etc. (I'm doing this myself for devotional purposes, but it certainly isn't hurting my eye for grammar.) | |
| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ March 13th, 2012, 10:16 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Plus, so many writing books contradict each other.   | |
| Author: | SeyatassDragonDaughter [ March 13th, 2012, 11:39 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Airianna Mimetes wrote: Plus, so many writing books contradict each other.   I know right? Oh there was this one thing that my sister saw was on the back of the Narnia books.   "Enter the Narnia world countless times. There are seven books in all."   | |
| Author: | kingjon [ March 14th, 2012, 1:12 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Viarrieinmr Mimetes wrote: "Enter the Narnia world countless times. There are seven books in all." I would have interpreted that as a comment on their value as rereading material ... Airianna Mimetes wrote: Plus, so many writing books contradict each other.   To quote Kipling, again: "There are nine and sixty ways of constructing tribal lays, / And every single one of them is right!" But this is a general problem with "non-fiction" writing as a whole: authors find something that works for them, and deduce from that some "general rule" they instruct their readers to uncritically apply. This would be reasonable, "all other things being equal," in theory ... but, in practice, they never are. | |
| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ March 14th, 2012, 8:47 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| *nods * I prefer writing books that comes from the "this is not a one size fits all, there are many different ways to write, let me tell you what I have found helpful and what can work". Because writing isn't really a formula.   | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ March 14th, 2012, 9:28 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| kingjon wrote: For a long time I was reading every book about writing I could get my hands on; I can't really recommend that approach as such as some of them were probably a waste of time and I would have been better served just writing instead, but I do recommend reading a variety of such books. A few in particular: Damon Knight's Writing Short Fiction, Fowler's Modern English Usage (which is a reference book rather than something you'd just sit down and read cover-to-cover, but is often tremendously funny as well as being insightful and apt), and Writing to Sell by Scott Meredith (though I've only read a long-out-of-date edition). For the technical issues I noticed you had most consistent trouble with in your Writing Circle entry last month, I suggest you try copying Scripture; the translators of the RSV, NIV, etc., are generally very careful about sentence structure, proper punctuation of dialogue, etc. (I'm doing this myself for devotional purposes, but it certainly isn't hurting my eye for grammar.) Thanks for those book ideas, I have marked them down for ordering from the library.   Wow, that's a good idea I never thought of before...I would probably do it in the ESV. So do you have your Bible in front of you while you type, or do you write it by hand (writing is so hard for me that this would be good practice, but might distract me from the grammar and devotional aspects of it, so I would want to do it at least half on the computer)? kingjon wrote: Viarrieinmr Mimetes wrote: "Enter the Narnia world countless times. There are seven books in all." I would have interpreted that as a comment on their value as rereading material ... I can definitely agree with that interpretation because I've found that to be completely true! Airianna Mimetes wrote: *nods *  I prefer writing books that come from the "this is not a one size fits all, there are many different ways to write, let me tell you what I have found helpful and what can work".  Because writing isn't really a formula.    Yes, I agree with this, I found this out myself when I kept looking up stuff about writing...and I totally couldn't understand why anyone would approach writing that way, and knowing that there must be other ways available.   One book I am reading now is The Art and Craft of Writing Christian Fiction by Jeff Gerke, and it is amazing! He starts out by pretty much telling you to do some soul-searching and make sure your motives are just, but he also calls all writing teachers (himself included) "jokers...all with their own set of rules" or something like that...so one of his points is to "be teachable, except when you stop. And even when you stop being teachable, stay teachable." By which he means, find what works for you, but still be open to self-improvement (and possibly sacrifice part of your style for the sake of getting published). | |
| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ March 14th, 2012, 10:28 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| I think Jeff Gerke is on my list of people to interview for the podcast... | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ March 14th, 2012, 10:35 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Awesome! Looking forward to that one now...so if he isn't on there yet, add him to it.     | |
| Author: | kingjon [ March 14th, 2012, 3:51 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Lycanis Mimetes wrote: kingjon wrote: For the technical issues I noticed you had most consistent trouble with in your Writing Circle entry last month, I suggest you try copying Scripture; the translators of the RSV, NIV, etc., are generally very careful about sentence structure, proper punctuation of dialogue, etc. (I'm doing this myself for devotional purposes, but it certainly isn't hurting my eye for grammar.) Wow, that's a good idea I never thought of before...I would probably do it in the ESV. That'd be fine; the reason I mention versions at all is that a) some modern paraphrases and such are probably more dubious, and b) every hard-copy of the KJV I've seen breaks sentences up by verses (so as to have the verse number both at the beginning of the verse and at the far left of the column), which would be counterproductive for grammar-edification. Lycanis Mimetes wrote: So do you have your Bible in front of you while you type, or do you write it by hand (writing is so hard for me that this would be good practice, but might distract me from the grammar and devotional aspects of it, so I would want to do it at least half on the computer)? I do it by hand, partly because I need the handwriting practice, partly so I can work on this when I don't have a computer up or it's not cooperating, and partly because what gave me the idea in the first place was the commandment in Deuteronomy that each king of Israel was to, on taking the throne, write out a copy of the Law in his own hand. And I think that, while typing might still be helpful along these lines, writing by hand (even if it's difficult, or you can't read what you've written a week later) has a greater benefit, as it gets the habits into the brain by a different pathway. | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ March 14th, 2012, 3:56 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Cool, thank you for the idea, I think I will do that (I'm working on learning italics, so this will really help me with that once I'm able to practice in italic)! | |
| Author: | Emilyn [ March 22nd, 2012, 12:20 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Yes, not just any style of writing is for anyone. They have to find their voice, their own style, their own genre and so forth. | |
| Author: | RunningWolf [ March 22nd, 2012, 9:52 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: Improving My Writing | 
| Emilyn wrote: Yes, not just any style of writing is for anyone.  They have to find their voice, their own style, their own genre and so forth. That's true...which reminds me I really need to get with it and write more so I can find my voice...  But I am working towards that, hopefully I'll be back at it this week!   | |
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