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| Author: | Aemi [ December 5th, 2011, 12:42 am ] | 
| Post subject: | What? He's...dead? | 
| One effect I long for in all my stories is to make the reader care every time anyone dies. I want my reader to feel a twinge of guilt, or at least go, "Aw, man." Not only that, but I want my readers to feel a moment of disbelief, and then grief, right along with the character when someone near to them dies. (Yeah, I know. Mean.) Do you understand what I mean? Too often in a book, or a movie, a secondary character is introduced. Someone important and dear to the main character. For example, the character's father. But something about the way the character talks, or acts, lets you know that this character is likely to be killed off. You are not going to care much when he dies. The character is already dead to you. You only care about the MC. I don't want that! I want my reader to assume that this character has an important role in the story, that he is an interesting, likable, and growable character, with feelings and hopes. I want my reader, in the early stages of setting up the plot, to know that this character is a pillar in the foundation. And that if this character died, it would leave a gaping, aching hole. Just like it does for the MC. When the death happens, you don't just go, "Aw, that's sad. I feel sorry for the MC". You feel a moment of shocked disbelief. Then grief. You feel with the MC, because you cared about that character the same way he did. And you will join the MC in patching his life back together. Empathy. Showing, not telling. But how to achieve this? One book I've read achieved this very well. It's called Alone Yet Not Alone, by Tracy M. Leininger. I'm not totally sure how she did it, but getting into the character's point of view for a while probably helped. Somehow, the character seemed a solid part of the MC's life. I felt confidence in him. Know what I mean? And when the MC got the news, there was no "Grief exploded inside her" immediately. Indeed, there was no comment on the MC's feelings until several sentences later, allowing me to feel the feelings for her, instead of watching as she felt them. Can you help me? What makes this effect? | |
| Author: | Aemi [ December 5th, 2011, 12:49 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| I think I'm starting to get at what does this. This happens when you care about this secondary character---not because the MC does, but because you do. You love the secondary character, and you will feel shocked grief at his death, whether the MC does or not. I guess an author achieves this by making him a 3-D character instead of 2-D. But how? | |
| Author: | Varon [ December 5th, 2011, 11:33 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| I don't know. It's a good thing to think about and work towards. | |
| Author: | KathrineROID [ December 5th, 2011, 3:29 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| Trying to understand here. Are you wanting to know how to handle a death so that the reader cares, or are you wanting to know how to create a character the reader cares about, or both? (If the second, I'm afraid the answer is just "make a good character." Easy, right?) | |
| Author: | Aemi [ December 5th, 2011, 4:34 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| Kathrine Roid wrote: Trying to understand here. Are you wanting to know how to handle a death so that the reader cares, or are you wanting to know how to create a character the reader cares about, or both?Choice number one. I want the reader to feel the same feelings the MC is feeling, instead of just going, "Oh, poor MC." | |
| Author: | Ophelia MirZA Mimetes [ December 15th, 2011, 6:58 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
|  I hate when characters are so flat you just KNOW they are going to die.  I suppose you have to write them with the same (if not more) care as other characters. No one cares if you kill a flat charrie. ~ZA | |
| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ December 15th, 2011, 9:50 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| A certain author I'm fond of (*cough*WayneThomasBatson*cough*) had a set of twins that echoed each other all the time - they thought the same way, acted the same way, did everything together. The characters only got interesting after one of them died.   | |
| Author: | Varon [ December 16th, 2011, 9:09 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| *sniffle* I remember those two. It was quite a shock when he died. | |
| Author: | Constable Jaynin Mimetes [ December 17th, 2011, 12:37 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| I accomplish this by not killing the characters you expect to die and picking on the person you never, ever expected... in theory, at least. Hence why so many of my MCs end up dead at the end of a novel.   | |
| Author: | Aemi [ December 17th, 2011, 7:37 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| Ophelia MirZA Shaye wrote:  I hate when characters are so flat you just KNOW they are going to die.  I want to care! | |
| Author: | Ophelia MirZA Mimetes [ December 17th, 2011, 8:07 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| Aemi wrote: Ophelia MirZA Shaye wrote:  I hate when characters are so flat you just KNOW they are going to die.  I want to care!  I don't know how to write adults well at all. When I really think about it, I can't name a book where I cared when the parents died. . . .   ~ZA | |
| Author: | Aemi [ December 17th, 2011, 8:22 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| Ophelia MirZA Shaye wrote:  I don't know how to write adults well at all. When I really think about it, I can't name a book where I cared when the parents died. . . .   And many of us, including myself, are on the threshold of adulthood. I am starting to understand adults better, to know how it feels to be an adult. We are happy to give you some help if you need any.  In short, an adult has the same emotions, fears, and hopes a young person does. They just have many more responsibilities. And the mature adults are much more selfless than I am.   | |
| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ December 19th, 2011, 12:39 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| Quote: One effect I long for in all my stories is to make the reader care every time anyone dies. I want my reader to feel a twinge of guilt, or at least go, "Aw, man." Not only that, but I want my readers to feel a moment of disbelief, and then grief, right along with the character when someone near to them dies. (Yeah, I know. Mean.) Do you understand what I mean? Too often in a book, or a movie, a secondary character is introduced. Someone important and dear to the main character. For example, the character's father. But something about the way the character talks, or acts, lets you know that this character is likely to be killed off. You are not going to care much when he dies. The character is already dead to you. You only care about the MC. Amen! Personal pet peeve. I harp on this all the time. Now I wrote something about this somewhere.... I think it was Sci-Fi. Hmmm..... I must go find. *goes off to see if she can find her post or not * | |
| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ December 19th, 2011, 12:44 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| Mwah ha! Told you I'd find it.   Here is what I said in a sci-fi post thread I started: Quote: Hehe! Now here is something that I use in my fantasy books that can transfer to Sci-Fi!!!  For some people, minor characters are totally expendable. They mean nothing, have no purpose, the only reason they are brought into existence is to show the readers the danger the main character is in, or some other reason that supports the MC. However, in my study of the value and sanctity of life, I decided that, in a way, this was wrong. Not only wrong, but it doesn’t really add emotional impact for the reader. It’s fluff. BUT!!!!! I’ve found that if you give value to the life, and play off your readers emotional connection to the minor character (sorry Beta Readers, I like toying with your emotions), you drive the point home. Create a real, tangible character, make your reader care and see them as valuable, and then shock them by killing him. You accomplish so much more. Here’s an example of what I mean. Example 1: A man is walking down a dark street. A monster jumps out and eats him. Vrs Example 2: James is strolling down the street, headed to the nearest convenience store because his pregnant wife is craving some pickles and ice cream. He is thinking about what names they should choose for their new little boy who is on the way when a monster jumps out and kills him. Okay, so the examples were silly, but you get the point, right? The act is more horrible in example 2 because we know and like James. It’s different, and I as the author have given value to James’ life. I use this in my novels. I thought I’d share it with ya’ll. http://www.holyworlds.org/scifi/viewtop ... f=35&t=924 So, there is my answer to your question, sorta. This is how I look at it in writing my books. | |
| Author: | Aemi [ December 19th, 2011, 12:56 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| Whoa, your examples were awesome! Thank you so much! Poor James. | |
| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ December 19th, 2011, 1:01 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| You are so welcome.  Yes, poor James.  Poor James' wife.  The poor unborn child who will grow up without his father! And that is the whole point.  Showing his value. | |
| Author: | Aemi [ December 19th, 2011, 1:05 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| Yes...show his value. So how do we make the reader like and care about the MC's parents? And not expect them to die? (A back-cover synopsis that doesn't give anything away would help.  ) | |
| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ December 19th, 2011, 10:58 am ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| The exact same way I did in that example. Give us a reason to like the parents. Give them value in our eyes. | |
| Author: | Aemi [ December 19th, 2011, 1:52 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| Okay then.  Has anybody else read---or watched---a story where you were really sad when a secondary character died early on? | |
| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ December 19th, 2011, 2:30 pm ] | 
| Post subject: | Re: What? He's...dead? | 
| Yes. I've also seen/read stories where they psyched me out. For instance, Fireproof did this very effectively. Within the first few minutes I was attached to Michael, Caleb's friend and partner. Ten minutes into the movie there was a scene where the creators very well could have killed Michael's character off. My heart was fluttering, not because of the intensity of the scene, but because I was afraid they were going to kill Michael. They had managed to attach me to Michael's character to the point where I was concerned they would kill him. That is good writing. | |
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