Everyone loves him -- or hates him, as the case may be -- but everyone wants to talk about him, mostly. In order not to derail multiple threads, let's concentrate our rants here.
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ December 14th, 2010, 10:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Iri |
Everyone loves him -- or hates him, as the case may be -- but everyone wants to talk about him, mostly. In order not to derail multiple threads, let's concentrate our rants here. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ December 14th, 2010, 10:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
How could anyone hate Iri?! |
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| Author: | Constable Jaynin Mimetes [ December 14th, 2010, 11:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Haha, an Iri thread! He's like... my favorite character ever??? Need I say more? |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ December 14th, 2010, 11:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
I like him. He's got a lot of interesting emotions going. Looking forward to seeing what kind of discussions ignite here. 
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| Author: | Ciela Rose [ December 15th, 2010, 9:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
LOL I happen to be more of an Aaron fan.  Although Iri is certainly a fascinating character, I definitely think he needs to get his head on straight, and some days I just want to smack him.  On the other hand, the poor guy has been through a lot, so some of it is understandable. He's probably very fun to work with.
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| Author: | Melody Kondrael [ December 15th, 2010, 9:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
He's the character that you love to hate and are just waiting for an excuse to love him. Hey, I like wanting to smack characters. <smile> |
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| Author: | Kiev Shawn [ December 15th, 2010, 9:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
I can't do more than second all of these. Well, except the one about being more of an Aaron fan. 
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ December 15th, 2010, 9:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Who’s Aaron?  Just kidding!I can't help loving Iri's character more! Part of why we love Iri is because of his conflicted personality and the desire to smack him occasionally. He's real, he's gritty. I think his head is screwed on straight, he's just dealing with a lot of conflicting emotions, most of which are colored by his pride. |
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| Author: | Arias Mimetes [ December 15th, 2010, 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Airianna Valenshia wrote: How could anyone hate Iri?! My thoughts exactly
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| Author: | Ciela Rose [ December 15th, 2010, 11:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Melody Kondrael wrote: He's the character that you love to hate and are just waiting for an excuse to love him. Hey, I like wanting to smack characters. <smile> Exactly! Part of the reason why I love Aaron more is because he shares some similar characteristics with one of my charries (so I'm a little biased )
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| Author: | Celestria [ December 15th, 2010, 1:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
I'm more of an Aaron fan too, actually. Though I must admit, I really like characters that are fun to write with. You never really know what to expect with them.
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ December 15th, 2010, 2:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
I've often thought of him as the king of unpredictability. Aaron isn't missing the lack of attention, so don't feel guilty about liking Iri more.Haha, Airianna! It just baffles me how much you guys like him from what little you've seen of him. Celestria, 'fun' is mostly the reason he's so frustrating; since all he wants to do is play around. |
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| Author: | Constable Jaynin Mimetes [ December 15th, 2010, 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
He's incredibly 'real' to me. His motivations, and his struggles. There are so many people in the world who aren't the good guys, and a lot of them could easily be the bad guys. And when it comes to real people, watching the evil they do, or could do, breaks my heart. But when I sit down to write, my characters reflect myself and I can't come up with plausible motivations for villains. Why is the bad guy bad? You have to make him just power hungry, removed, stereotypical to get it to work... I love sympathetic villains. And I'm impossible at creating them. My two examples are Herene (from Prince of Yen) and, strangely enough, Michael (from Lightning Ranger.) My first draft for POY was an epic fail, because Herene had no motivation. But Iri does. Iri is the guy I work with, my next door neighbor, my best friends ex-boyfriend. Iri is real, in pain, choosing wrong, and ignorant of what he's doing. Iri represents the entire human race to me, and every time I read a little more of his story I understand just a little bit more why Christ died. The other character who did this to me was Achenar from Myst IV: Revelation. In this story there are two brothers, (there's a little backstory, but it spoils the first game, so live without it.) Both were evil, one has reformed. You don't know which. During the game you explore their journals, their prisons, and their memories. You see a little bit of good, and some of bad, and something about Achenar suddenly made sense to me. All I'd seen was his brutality, but once or twice there was a glimpse of something more. A glimpse of what he could have been, if he wasn't evil. And since then I've seen double, every person I meet I see two versions of. What they are, bound to sin, and what they could be if they'd been set free. And it breaks my heart... Well that turned out longer than I thought. This is supposed to be about Iri not my own philosophical observation and villain struggles. But there it is. Iri is humanity with the veil stripped away... |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ December 15th, 2010, 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
I agree with Vanya. I love Iri because he is so deep, and I understand him well. Iri’s personality makes him a walking contradiction. He’s an oxymoron in his very makeup. His intricate character makes you both despise him and pity him (pity, not sympathize). I love characters that have this dynamic. His personality is conflicting. He constantly tries to puff himself up (because, let us face it, while Iri is prideful, his need for approval and elevation stems from his insecurities), yet he is constantly attempting to silence his inner voice. One of the most effective ways he does this is by bringing fear and pain to someone else. Subconsciously he believes he can silence his own injuries by retaliating and causing pain to others. Yet there is always that small flicker of hope. Hope that Iri will change. That the light will overcome the darkness. |
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| Author: | Jaye L. Knight [ December 15th, 2010, 5:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
I've been completely inactive on the forum since I introduced myself way back . . . I can't even remember when. But I've been wanting to jump back in and this seemed like the perfect thread because I've been wanting to say how much I absolutely LOVE Iri! I agree with everything everyone has said. I seriously think he is one of the most fascinating characters I've ever read about. You've done a fabulous job with him Eruwaedhiel.
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ December 27th, 2010, 10:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Wow guys, some interesting stuff going on here. What do y'all know or guess about his history? I have it pretty well figured out, but I want to see what you can deduct from his behavior. |
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ January 3rd, 2011, 8:46 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Iri | ||
Oh, and here's a graphic our own Vilisse made me representing him. The words are from the song Bring Me to Life by Evanescence, which is his theme song.
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| Author: | Ciela Rose [ January 3rd, 2011, 9:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Wow! First thought that came to mind: Vilisse is an artistic genius. From what I've seen, heard, and learned of Iri, that definitely seems like him. I know a goodly amount of his history, thanks to you, so should I keep silent or say what I know??? |
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| Author: | Constable Jaynin Mimetes [ January 4th, 2011, 1:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Wow! That is some awesome art! 
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| Author: | Lady Elanor [ January 4th, 2011, 6:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Amazing art there! Awesome! Is Iri from one of your books, Lady?
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ January 4th, 2011, 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
We'll see if anyone else wants to guess, Ciela. Thanks guys! I'll be sure to let her know you like it! Elanor, yes, Iri is MC No. 3 in my current (just finished) novel. |
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| Author: | Melody Kondrael [ January 4th, 2011, 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Hmm... I know he had a father. And I think he didn't know his mother? And his father is still alive. But they apparently are not on speaking terms. I would guess that Iri thinks that his father is dead or else has betrayed him; Iri seems like the kind of person who would have strong family ties. I might put his backstory like this: He could have been separated from his father violently as a young teenager, and left to fend for himself in the world. He became a DragonRider... didn't he go bad after his dragon was accidentally killed? Sorry, I don't know enough of your story to be sure on the facts of how he got where he is now. I can think of lots of options to get him there, though.
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| Author: | Melody Kondrael [ January 4th, 2011, 4:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
And I still want to know where Vilesse got her Iri picture because that looks so much like how I imagined him: is it a stock picture, a screencap from a movie, a 3D model, or a painting? |
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ January 4th, 2011, 4:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
She said the model was two images pieced together from deviant art. I'm not sure where she got the rest. You'd have to ask her. It was totally unexpected and freakishly cool.
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ January 4th, 2011, 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Re: His history: Interesting perception. His mother, Varia, ran off after he was born to who-knows-where and only showed up in spurts through his childhood. He saw her again, unexpectedly, on his nineteenth birthday, when she introduced him to his heritage as a servant of Cae'ach (Satan). The part about his father is a bit off, however. He actually went bad before he ever got a dragon, though no one knew it.Would you like me to post his actual history? |
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| Author: | Kiev Shawn [ January 4th, 2011, 4:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
YES!
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ January 5th, 2011, 2:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Ciela Rose wrote: Wow! First thought that came to mind: Vilisse is an artistic genius. Same here.
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| Author: | Kiev Shawn [ January 5th, 2011, 2:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Philadelphia wrote: Ciela Rose wrote: Wow! First thought that came to mind: Vilisse is an artistic genius. Same here. Roger that.
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| Author: | Andrew Amnon Mimetes [ January 5th, 2011, 3:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Shawn Henderson wrote: Philadelphia wrote: Ciela Rose wrote: Wow! First thought that came to mind: Vilisse is an artistic genius. Same here. Roger that. Make that a triple... =) Good job Villi! eruheran |
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| Author: | Lady Vilisse Mimetes [ January 5th, 2011, 6:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Thank you all! I'm glad my fan-art has been so graciously accepted (especially by the author herself )
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| Author: | KathrineROID [ January 5th, 2011, 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
eruheran wrote: Shawn Henderson wrote: Philadelphia wrote: Ciela Rose wrote: Wow! First thought that came to mind: Vilisse is an artistic genius. Same here. Roger that. Make that a triple... =) Good job Villi! eruheran Quadruple. Stunning, Villi! For everyone's amusement, a light-hearted and joking subject: Due to Iri, I now must learn what exactly what you call the tips on the ears of elves. My sleep depends on it. Ear tips? Elf tips? Or whatips? And do you call Vulcan ears something else? |
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ January 5th, 2011, 9:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
LOL Droid! I just call them ear tips or eartips. Ummm, one of my friends dubbed Vulcan ears Spock ears. Anyone else want to take a guess at Iri's history before I reveal it? |
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| Author: | Rachel Newhouse [ January 6th, 2011, 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
I'm too lazy. Go ahead and share. I'm a writer. Spoilers and backstory doesn't ruin the joy of the tale for me, anyway.
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| Author: | Kiev Shawn [ January 6th, 2011, 6:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Philadelphia wrote: I'm too lazy. Go ahead and share. I'm a writer. Spoilers and backstory doesn't ruin the joy of the tale for me, anyway.Agreed. You can put it in spoiler text too. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 7th, 2011, 11:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
E! You must tell us! If not, I will PM you until you go nuts and tell me just to get me to leave you alone
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| Author: | Kiev Shawn [ January 7th, 2011, 3:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Airianna Valenshia wrote: E! You must tell us! If not, I will PM you until you go nuts and tell me just to get me to leave you alone Believe her. I can't kill one of my characters for fear of her. She tickles.
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 7th, 2011, 5:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ January 10th, 2011, 5:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Alright, alright. You people are intolerable. I think I'll include a character profile I recently wrote up for him, which has his history in it. Name: Irivel Fairbrow Sex: Male Status: Advanced Dragonrider; Head of the Andunian Riders; Assassin Dragon: Snowhide Color: White Type: Ice Title: Prince Irivel Fairbrow of Laelca Age: Human years, 21; Elven years, 41 Family: Fairivel Fairbrow, Father; Varia Moonchild, Mother. Eyes: Bright, vivid green, usually glinting mischievously, wide and large Hair: Gold, in a neat waist-length braid Height: 6ft 1½ in Skin: Fair; warmly, lightly tanned Face: Proud, very attractive, perpetually sly. High cheekbones and forehead, strong jaw. Dress: Bright colors, anything flashy. He looks good in just about anything. Wears wide gold bracelets on each forearm, always. Build: Tall, graceful, but not as thin as most Elves. Broad shoulders, an air of raw strength about him. Date of Birth: June 23 Relationships: Best friends with Aaron since childhood but separated by a betrayal. Could charm almost any girl but only wants the ones he can't charm. Nicknames: Snake, Iri (he hates the name Irivel) Skilled in: Swordplay, hand-to-hand combat, magic, knives, charm (as a weapon), anything involving physical activity. Also, has perfected the skill of annoying people to an art. Likes: Parties; superiority; attention; dark, intense colors; wine Theme Song(s): Shoot to Kill by Two Steps from Hell, Bring Me to Life by Evanescence Personality: Impulsive, enigmatic, and careless. Dangerously unpredictable and unbound by friendships. Liable to betray anyone if it benefits him. Believes in choosing his own future. Seemingly afraid of nothing. If he has learned anything from his father, it is how to mask vulnerability. He will do almost anything to attract attention. He is contrary and liable to laugh at someone who tries to tell him anything worthwhile.Inwardly hungering for acceptance and love. Kills without remorse. Theme: Redemption History: As a young child, he was always getting into trouble to attract his father's attention. Fairivel hadn't wanted a son, especially one so directly opposite from him, and he was too busy to spend time with Iri. As a result, Iri became more and more rebellious, feeling the pull of longing, and the pull of something darker that he couldn't identify. Aaron's relationship was the only thing that stabilized him through childhood and an especially turbulent adolescence, as his mind and body changed into something he didn't recognize and the dark power pulled relentlessly at him. When his mother came to him in secret on his nineteenth birthday and showed him that the power calling him ran in her own blood and could run in his as well, he accepted her offer, not knowing how evil it truly was. He thought with that much strength he could finally control his own life and gain the attention he craved from his father. He was wrong. It twisted him into something he was never meant to be. He tried to kill Aaron. He nearly succeeded. He never saw what he truly had become: Trapped. Phew. That was a lot to type up.
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ January 10th, 2011, 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
He also has an essence map, in case any of you are interested. viewtopic.php?f=50&t=683 |
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| Author: | Melody Kondrael [ January 11th, 2011, 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
My reaction last night when I read this: Awww, poor Iri. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ January 11th, 2011, 11:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Ha! My suspicions were pretty accurate! Cool. |
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| Author: | Constable Jaynin Mimetes [ January 12th, 2011, 7:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
He was friends with Aaron? That sounds like... two of my characters... (Course, their story was completely different, but it's the same thing, childhood friends, and one betrays that friendship.) And of course everyone says: "Poor Iri."
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| Author: | KathrineROID [ May 15th, 2011, 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Due to a discussion on HWSF, I'm suggesting everyone share what made them fall in love with Iri - preferably by linking to an excerpt. I'll start: viewtopic.php?p=24717#p24717 Scroll about two thirds of the way down. It's in blue. Don't ask me how reading about a poor elf getting his ear-tips offed made me an Iri fan.
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| Author: | Constable Jaynin Mimetes [ May 15th, 2011, 11:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
I'd like to know more about this conversation on HWSF!! I met Iri in CI. I wasn't participating, because I was determined to read all the back posts before I jumped in. Since there were about sixty at the time it took a while. And I watched all kinds of since-forgotten character dramas unfold, and often Iri was in the middle of them. At first he was just the likable villain type. After a while though another CI stalker went and found some of Lady E.'s long buried excerpts. I read them both at the same time, I think the vengeance scene it was that really touched me. It was the kind of heartbreaking, no-win situation that makes me want to be a writer. It also reminded me a lot of the relationship between Janin and Herene, only Iri is more lovable than Herene will ever be. |
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ July 27th, 2011, 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Okay, all you Iri experts - I'm looking for some impressions/input here. How do you think Iri (as a physically oriented and physically pleasing [and you can bet he knows it] person) would react to having, say ... visible scars? A limp? A deformity of some kind? Would he be ashamed, would he eat up the attention, would he get as much sympathy as he could out of it... Help.
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ July 30th, 2011, 7:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
I think Iri's too prideful to allow a physical deformity to pull him down. I can see him playing the scar/limp up, making it into more than it is. Like a badge of honor. Did that help?
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| Author: | Lady Eruwaedhiel [ August 1st, 2011, 8:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Thanks, Airi. I'm looking for multiple opinions here, people, c'mon.
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| Author: | Kiev Shawn [ August 2nd, 2011, 11:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
I'm thinking that he would play it up. In the case of his ears, he might try to hide them, but if they were noticed he would probably do the same. Basically, seconding Airi. 
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| Author: | Constable Jaynin Mimetes [ August 16th, 2011, 9:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
Eh, he strikes me as the type who would be very bitter/angry/ashamed about it. He'd be likely to pretend they didn't exist, and never talk about it. (Woe to the new person who doesn't know it's a touchy subject.) I can't see Iri admitting he needed help for anything, so I can't see him accepting sympathy either. |
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| Author: | Airianna Valenshia [ August 16th, 2011, 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Iri |
I couldn't see his accepting sympathy either. |
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