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Author:  Elestar [ October 25th, 2009, 12:55 pm ]
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I think that Theology is where this topic goes.

This is a place to post your work on your Creator(s), if you have any. I have several. I know that sounds less than Christian, but let me explain.

In my world, there exists an infinite being. He (I use the word for lack of a better term) created everything. In CE (common elvish), He is known as Niran (pronounced NEAR-on).
Niran created heavenly beings, called in CE the Ghirandil (pronounced HERE-on-deal). Niran created the physical and spiritual worlds through the Ghirandil; He gave to them the ideas and power necessary to create forms, and Niran Himself breathed Life into the creations.
However, Niran created the Holy Realms without the Ghirandil. In other words, Niran is the Creator of All (pardon the cliche description), and the Ghirandil are his main vassals.
Author:  Arias Mimetes [ October 25th, 2009, 1:33 pm ]
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So it's an allegorical version of God, almost?
That doesn't sound bad, really, as long as you use it correctly. Kind of like Aslan in Narnia.
Author:  Elestar [ October 25th, 2009, 7:52 pm ]
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Yes, rather like that. My Christian worldview does not permit me to have a Pantheon, or to have no creator at all.
Author:  Liagiba [ October 25th, 2009, 8:54 pm ]
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My Creator in my story "Glory's Fire", part of the Consuming Fire Chronicles, is Eshyklah which means Consuming Fire. I have a Satan, angels of light & fallen angels, as well. Mine also is allegorical, although this is the first allegory I'm actually planning on using.

Elestar, your "Creator" character sounds exceptional!
Author:  Elestar [ October 28th, 2009, 11:43 pm ]
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That sounds so cool! And I must say, I love your titles for your book and series. Good luck on the allegory.
Author:  Liagiba [ October 29th, 2009, 12:13 pm ]
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Thanks...I'll try my best. Good luck...er, God bless on your story, too!
Author:  Lord Kieren Mimetes [ January 5th, 2010, 3:17 pm ]
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My story has a Creator called Elyeh. My story has God as an important part, but not the center, although He is the center of all life, if that makes sense. Elyeh is the one true God. I haven't decided on angels and demons; there will be a Satanic character, but I haven't decided on a name. There has been a fall, but no Christ figure has come yet.
Author:  Armorbearer [ January 5th, 2010, 4:08 pm ]
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Elestar wrote:
I think that Theology is where this topic goes.

This is a place to post your work on your Creator(s), if you have any. I have several. I know that sounds less than Christian, but let me explain.

In my world, there exists an infinite being. He (I use the word for lack of a better term) created everything. In CE (common elvish), He is known as Niran (pronounced NEAR-on).
Niran created heavenly beings, called in CE the Ghirandil (pronounced HERE-on-deal). Niran created the physical and spiritual worlds through the Ghirandil; He gave to them the ideas and power necessary to create forms, and Niran Himself breathed Life into the creations.
However, Niran created the Holy Realms without the Ghirandil. In other words, Niran is the Creator of All (pardon the cliche description), and the Ghirandil are his main vassals.


This sounds a lot like J.R.R. Tolkien's creation story, which I like, so I also like this idea. It is a good way to have several very powerful beings with out having you story be polytheistic
Author:  Neil of Erk [ January 5th, 2010, 7:26 pm ]
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Not to be sound hyper-critical, but technically the Ghirandil do not (and cannot) practice creation. You see, first of all, Niran gave them the ideas to create, meaning that they did not create the idea themselves, and secondly, Niran gave them the ability to form the worlds, which means that the power was not their own either. So, in a technical sense, these Ghirandil practice sub-creation, just like we humans. Neither the ideas, nor the means, are really ours, every idea has a purpose and a source beyond us, either for good or for evil, either from God, or a twisted reality from the devil.

But on another level, a being which is created by anyone cannot create from itself. Only God can create because only he is outside of time. A being the has been created therefor has a starting point and is therefor limited by time and under time in that way. A being which has been created is limited, and therefor serves another being, namely God. Because a being which serves God can not do anything apart from God (Even, surprisingly enough, Satan. See Job, which demonstrates that Satan must ask for God's consent before he performs any action.) the means that even if this being were to make something, it would be because God willed it to be so.

So, on an ultra-technical level, only God, in any world, can create.
Author:  Elestar [ January 9th, 2010, 9:50 pm ]
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An excellent point, Neil, and kind of the view that I'm working from, which is why everything the Ghirandil did came from Niran.
Author:  Neil of Erk [ January 10th, 2010, 11:15 am ]
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Elestar wrote:
An excellent point, Neil, and kind of the view that I'm working from, which is why everything the Ghirandil did came from Niran.

I understand. My point was simply that calling them "creators" gives people a false impression of what they actually do.

Pardon me if I seem to critical of you. Your story is so creative that apparently I have a hard time understanding certain points.
Author:  Elestar [ January 10th, 2010, 12:51 pm ]
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Neil of Erk wrote:
I understand. My point was simply that calling them "creators" gives people a false impression of what they actually do.

Pardon me if I seem to critical of you. Your story is so creative that apparently I have a hard time understanding certain points.


I thank you for correcting me. I don't tell people about my stories too often (except, of course, my wonderful sister), so when I do talk about them, I tend to forget that the people I'm talking to aren't inside my head, understanding what I mean. If that makes any sense. I'm basically saying thank you. :D
Author:  Elestar [ December 11th, 2010, 10:40 pm ]
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I have decided to close this topic. If anyone has any questions or comments, feel free to PM me.
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