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| Author: | Neil of Erk [ October 24th, 2009, 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The Porphyrian Tree |
I've noticed over my few days on here that there is some confusion about essence. I myself am confused. However, I think I can aid at least the syntax of essence with some help from classical logic. The purpose of essence is to find a way to express what certain things are, correct? If it is, then I have a classification scheme that should work. The Porphyrian Tree Category: ..................................Substance........................... Material Non-Material Remote Genus: (spirit) .........................................Body................................. Living Non-Living Remote Genus: (mineral) ...................................Organism.......................... Sentient Non-Sentient Proximate Genus: (plant) ....................................Animal.............................. Rational Non-Rational Logical Species: (brute) Man To demonstrate the use of the Tree, let me put a couple different terms through the process. First, I'll put an Angel through. Now, the first thing to decide is whether the Angel's substance is material, or non-material. We know that angels have appeared as material form, but that it is not their original form. Therefor, angels are non-material, so we can refer to them as spirits. No, I'll put a Fern through. Ferns are material, so we can go on to Remote Genus (a). Since a fern's body is living, I can go on to Remote Genus (b). We know that a fern's organism is Non-Sentient. Therefore, we now know that a fern is a plant. Any questions? Confusion perhaps? |
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| Author: | Arias Mimetes [ October 24th, 2009, 2:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
So an essence is what something essentially is? |
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| Author: | Neil of Erk [ October 25th, 2009, 11:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
That's the idea that I've gathered. |
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| Author: | Whythawye [ October 27th, 2009, 9:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
Sapphira wrote: So an essence is what something essentially is? That is a very good system for classification, Neil, but it is not what an essence is, unfortunately.  Sapphira was closer.An essence is what something essentially is, yes. But it is the essential artistic part of the something. If that helps any. |
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| Author: | Liagiba [ October 27th, 2009, 9:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
So an essence isn't a classifying scheme? |
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| Author: | Neil of Erk [ October 27th, 2009, 7:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
That helps immensely, Sir Emeth! It seems to me, though, that trying to define certain aspects of art that people consider 'indefinable', is often contrary to the nature of the aspect itself. I may place a certain value-or 'definition'-on an aspect of artistic creation, someone else may assign a different definition. So, is 'Essence' a way to conceptualize an essential aspect of artistic creation? |
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| Author: | Arias Mimetes [ October 27th, 2009, 11:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
I'm completely confused with the whole "essence" thing... |
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| Author: | Whythawye [ October 29th, 2009, 4:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
Liagiba wrote: So an essence isn't a classifying scheme? Right. It is a description scheme, though.
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| Author: | Whythawye [ October 29th, 2009, 4:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
Sapphira wrote: I'm completely confused with the whole "essence" thing... That is fine. I hope to explain it better soon... |
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| Author: | Whythawye [ October 29th, 2009, 4:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
Neil of Erk wrote: That helps immensely, Sir Emeth! It seems to me, though, that trying to define certain aspects of art that people consider 'indefinable', is often contrary to the nature of the aspect itself. I may place a certain value-or 'definition'-on an aspect of artistic creation, someone else may assign a different definition. So, is 'Essence' a way to conceptualize an essential aspect of artistic creation? Good! That is what you would think, but I have found that essence can define even the most indefinable concepts and emotions in a meaningful way, without destroying the concept or emotion at all. In fact, it helps it grow better. I have even made an essence for my own writer's block to get my creative juices flowing, and it worked! Exactly, each person will create a different essence articulation for anything. My system for articulating essence makes it possible for people to be able to talk about what they see, though. When you create an essence articulation, it can become a guide to help you articulate what you want the reader to see in a scene. Yes! Though the essence is generally more of an 'artistic creation' itself, and it can be applied to things that are not artistic at all. Progress...
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| Author: | Neil of Erk [ October 30th, 2009, 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
Sir Emeth Mimetes wrote: Neil of Erk wrote: That helps immensely, Sir Emeth! It seems to me, though, that trying to define certain aspects of art that people consider 'indefinable', is often contrary to the nature of the aspect itself. I may place a certain value-or 'definition'-on an aspect of artistic creation, someone else may assign a different definition. So, is 'Essence' a way to conceptualize an essential aspect of artistic creation? Yes! Though the essence is generally more of an 'artistic creation' itself, and it can be applied to things that are not artistic at all. Progress... Thanks! The only thing I still don't understand is the syntax, as far as it relates communicating the concept. I must go read all your syntax related posts! Perhaps teaching essence is better suited for a different setting. |
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| Author: | PrincessoftheKing [ October 31st, 2009, 12:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
Sapphira wrote: I'm completely confused with the whole "essence" thing... Ditto. |
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| Author: | Whythawye [ November 2nd, 2009, 9:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Porphyrian Tree |
PrincessoftheKing wrote: Sapphira wrote: I'm completely confused with the whole "essence" thing... Ditto. Sorry.
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