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 Post subject: The Porphyrian Tree
PostPosted: October 24th, 2009, 12:04 pm 
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I've noticed over my few days on here that there is some confusion about essence. I myself am confused. However, I think I can aid at least the syntax of essence with some help from classical logic.

The purpose of essence is to find a way to express what certain things are, correct? If it is, then I have a classification scheme that should work.

The Porphyrian Tree

Category:
..................................Substance...........................
Material Non-Material
Remote Genus: (spirit)
.........................................Body.................................
Living Non-Living
Remote Genus: (mineral)
...................................Organism..........................
Sentient Non-Sentient
Proximate Genus: (plant)
....................................Animal..............................
Rational Non-Rational
Logical Species: (brute)
Man

To demonstrate the use of the Tree, let me put a couple different terms through the process.

First, I'll put an Angel through. Now, the first thing to decide is whether the Angel's substance is material, or non-material. We know that angels have appeared as material form, but that it is not their original form. Therefor, angels are non-material, so we can refer to them as spirits.

No, I'll put a Fern through. Ferns are material, so we can go on to Remote Genus (a). Since a fern's body is living, I can go on to Remote Genus (b). We know that a fern's organism is Non-Sentient. Therefore, we now know that a fern is a plant.

Any questions? Confusion perhaps?

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Redemption is to be purchased, to have a price paid. So I was redeemed from my master sin, and from justice, which demanded my death. For He paid the price of sin by becoming sin, and met the demands of justice by dying for us.

For all men have a master. But a man cannot have two masters. For he will love one and hate the other. You cannot serve God and sin. So I die to the old, as He died, and I am resurrected to the new, as He was resurrected.

Note: Ebed is Hebrew for bondsman, Eleutheros is Greek for unrestrained (not a slave).


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PostPosted: October 24th, 2009, 2:18 pm 
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So an essence is what something essentially is?


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PostPosted: October 25th, 2009, 11:48 am 
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That's the idea that I've gathered.

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I am Ebed Eleutheros, redeemed from slavery in sin to the bond-service of my Master, Jesus Christ.

Redemption is to be purchased, to have a price paid. So I was redeemed from my master sin, and from justice, which demanded my death. For He paid the price of sin by becoming sin, and met the demands of justice by dying for us.

For all men have a master. But a man cannot have two masters. For he will love one and hate the other. You cannot serve God and sin. So I die to the old, as He died, and I am resurrected to the new, as He was resurrected.

Note: Ebed is Hebrew for bondsman, Eleutheros is Greek for unrestrained (not a slave).


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 Post subject: Re: The Porphyrian Tree
PostPosted: October 27th, 2009, 9:18 am 
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Sapphira wrote:
So an essence is what something essentially is?


That is a very good system for classification, Neil, but it is not what an essence is, unfortunately. :) Sapphira was closer.

An essence is what something essentially is, yes. But it is the essential artistic part of the something. If that helps any.


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PostPosted: October 27th, 2009, 9:56 am 
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So an essence isn't a classifying scheme?

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 Post subject: Re: The Porphyrian Tree
PostPosted: October 27th, 2009, 7:20 pm 
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That helps immensely, Sir Emeth! It seems to me, though, that trying to define certain aspects of art that people consider 'indefinable', is often contrary to the nature of the aspect itself. I may place a certain value-or 'definition'-on an aspect of artistic creation, someone else may assign a different definition.

So, is 'Essence' a way to conceptualize an essential aspect of artistic creation?

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I am Ebed Eleutheros, redeemed from slavery in sin to the bond-service of my Master, Jesus Christ.

Redemption is to be purchased, to have a price paid. So I was redeemed from my master sin, and from justice, which demanded my death. For He paid the price of sin by becoming sin, and met the demands of justice by dying for us.

For all men have a master. But a man cannot have two masters. For he will love one and hate the other. You cannot serve God and sin. So I die to the old, as He died, and I am resurrected to the new, as He was resurrected.

Note: Ebed is Hebrew for bondsman, Eleutheros is Greek for unrestrained (not a slave).


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 Post subject: Re: The Porphyrian Tree
PostPosted: October 27th, 2009, 11:11 pm 
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I'm completely confused with the whole "essence" thing...


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PostPosted: October 29th, 2009, 4:23 am 
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Liagiba wrote:
So an essence isn't a classifying scheme?


Right. It is a description scheme, though. :)


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PostPosted: October 29th, 2009, 4:24 am 
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Sapphira wrote:
I'm completely confused with the whole "essence" thing...


That is fine. I hope to explain it better soon...


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PostPosted: October 29th, 2009, 4:30 am 
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Neil of Erk wrote:
That helps immensely, Sir Emeth! It seems to me, though, that trying to define certain aspects of art that people consider 'indefinable', is often contrary to the nature of the aspect itself. I may place a certain value-or 'definition'-on an aspect of artistic creation, someone else may assign a different definition.

So, is 'Essence' a way to conceptualize an essential aspect of artistic creation?


Good!

That is what you would think, but I have found that essence can define even the most indefinable concepts and emotions in a meaningful way, without destroying the concept or emotion at all. In fact, it helps it grow better. I have even made an essence for my own writer's block to get my creative juices flowing, and it worked!

Exactly, each person will create a different essence articulation for anything. My system for articulating essence makes it possible for people to be able to talk about what they see, though. When you create an essence articulation, it can become a guide to help you articulate what you want the reader to see in a scene.

Yes! Though the essence is generally more of an 'artistic creation' itself, and it can be applied to things that are not artistic at all.

Progress... :)


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PostPosted: October 30th, 2009, 11:30 pm 
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Sir Emeth Mimetes wrote:
Neil of Erk wrote:
That helps immensely, Sir Emeth! It seems to me, though, that trying to define certain aspects of art that people consider 'indefinable', is often contrary to the nature of the aspect itself. I may place a certain value-or 'definition'-on an aspect of artistic creation, someone else may assign a different definition.

So, is 'Essence' a way to conceptualize an essential aspect of artistic creation?

Yes! Though the essence is generally more of an 'artistic creation' itself, and it can be applied to things that are not artistic at all.

Progress... :)


Thanks! The only thing I still don't understand is the syntax, as far as it relates communicating the concept. I must go read all your syntax related posts!

Perhaps teaching essence is better suited for a different setting.

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I am Ebed Eleutheros, redeemed from slavery in sin to the bond-service of my Master, Jesus Christ.

Redemption is to be purchased, to have a price paid. So I was redeemed from my master sin, and from justice, which demanded my death. For He paid the price of sin by becoming sin, and met the demands of justice by dying for us.

For all men have a master. But a man cannot have two masters. For he will love one and hate the other. You cannot serve God and sin. So I die to the old, as He died, and I am resurrected to the new, as He was resurrected.

Note: Ebed is Hebrew for bondsman, Eleutheros is Greek for unrestrained (not a slave).


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PostPosted: October 31st, 2009, 12:21 pm 
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Sapphira wrote:
I'm completely confused with the whole "essence" thing...


Ditto.

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PostPosted: November 2nd, 2009, 9:11 am 
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PrincessoftheKing wrote:
Sapphira wrote:
I'm completely confused with the whole "essence" thing...


Ditto.


Sorry. :)


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