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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Violent/Emotional Scenes
PostPosted: March 11th, 2013, 3:01 am 
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Lightwalker wrote:
Well, although this thread seems to have fallen into obscurity, I hope no one minds if I raise it up again since this is a topic which I enjoy talking about. :)

We heartily approve of old threads getting revived. :D

I'd like to hear more of your thoughts.

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Violent/Emotional Scenes
PostPosted: March 11th, 2013, 3:18 pm 
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Lightwalker wrote:
Well, although this thread seems to have fallen into obscurity, I hope no one minds if I raise it up again since this is a topic which I enjoy talking about. :)

We heartily approve of old threads getting revived. :D


Especially if they're mine. :twisted:

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PostPosted: March 11th, 2013, 5:35 pm 
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Jonathan Garner wrote:
We heartily approve of old threads getting revived. :D

I'd like to hear more of your thoughts.


*chuckles* That's good to hear. I thought this thread was too good to lie dormant.

Dark/emotional scenes that I write about tend to reflect some of my own feelings that I don't express.
We are very privileged to have a God to turn to for help and I do that every day. If I have any little turmoil inside, He takes care of it and puts me at peace. With the characters I write about, I want to expand on some of those darker emotions that I've felt and show as realistically I can, what happens in people's lives that don't have God. Without Him, it's cold, hard, and downright depressing while in Him, we have joy, peace, and fulfillment. For the characters that don't except God, I try to explore those feelings of rage, despair, and loneliness that I've felt when I was younger.

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PostPosted: August 15th, 2014, 12:03 am 
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This has been a great thread to read over. Some very good thoughts, everyone. I would certainly agree that it's okay to write dark scenes sometimes...but honestly I think it's different for each one of us. I think for some people (and I'm not saying any of you HWers are this way, necessarily ;)) writing a dark scene might drag them down, might be appealing to their baser nature...but others might be able to handle it just fine and use these scenes well (as other posters discussed further - how dark scenes can add a lot of emotional depth to a book and make it more real. I discussed this briefly myself in my very rambly pseudo-review of The Penultimate Peril). Similarly, some readers will be disturbed by such scenes, and other readers will be able to appreciate them. Dark and violent scenes aren't evil in themselves. We just need to be careful and aware of ourselves when we write them and read them. It's the old food-sacrificed-to-idols thing: some people can handle it, some can't, and there's no shame in that.

I don't personally struggle with writing dark scenes, but I know I'm this way with negative book reviews, actually. I like to read book reviews online, and I often enjoy reading reviews of books that aren't very good just to see people picking them apart and showing why they're bad. But I need to watch myself and make sure that I'm reading those negative reviews to learn more about writing and about books...not just to see something criticized and torn down and made fun of. And then I also need to watch myself when I write negative reviews, or imagine them in my head, as the case may be.

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With the characters I write about, I want to expand on some of those darker emotions that I've felt and show as realistically I can, what happens in people's lives that don't have God. Without Him, it's cold, hard, and downright depressing while in Him, we have joy, peace, and fulfillment. For the characters that don't except God, I try to explore those feelings of rage, despair, and loneliness that I've felt when I was younger.

Yes, this is why I often enjoy reading dark non-Christian literature - I like to see how empty the world is without God!

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Also, it is interesting that when you hear stories told by the suffering brothers and sisters in Christ, they tell you how worth it their torture was. I think in America we tend to downplay suffering and even torture. We have two issues. We minimize it, or we try to distance ourselves from it. We think it has to be one or the other. Neither really is healthy, I feel.

Yes! So true! I think too much of American culture these days is built on comfort, and your "right" to comfort. And then sometimes because people aren't used to the idea of suffering being a normal and healthy part of Christian life, they overglorify it and treat people who have suffered or died for their faith as amazing, perfect heroes. Yes, such people are worthy of admiration. But maybe not as much blind admiration as they sometimes get. Maybe God needs to get a bit more glory for these people!

My father tells stories of Christians from the country where we live who fled to Europe or the US, hoping for more comfortable lives, and then made up stories of torture and mistreatment. That way they could get into a Western country, and they would get treated as heroes, too. In some cases they were actually threatened or mistreated...but they often exaggerated the truth. It's really sad to me to see Christians lying so other Christians will admire them.

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 Post subject: Re: Dark/Violent/Emotional Scenes
PostPosted: September 8th, 2014, 10:22 am 
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Constable Jaynin Mimetes wrote:
My new theory, came up with while sweeping and thinking of how brilliant Neil's assessment is.

For many of us our darkest scenes are our favorites. What else can you think of that's similar? Do we prefer the tragic music or the happy? We all love happy, but the tragic is what really makes you feel, what really impresses you with its passion. So perhaps we enjoy the dark scenes because they are our best; because they aren't just writing, it's passion. We're showing our characters darkest hours, and really it's brilliant. Being able to write that accurately is quite an accomplishment, and we enjoy doing it.

And it's also beautiful. If our darkest scene are our best, than isn't it normal to enjoy writing them? And at the same time we are tormented, because they are so dark, and we feel that that's wrong. When our characters are at their darkest hour that's when they are the most beautiful, the most precious to us. That's when our writing is the finest, when we almost want to weep over our own words.

And as for the rest, letting someone read what you've written is frightening enough. What if they don't like it? So it's even worse to show our deepest passions, and favourite scenes to possibly be criticised and ridiculed. So we hide them under our beds, afraid of our own power.

Not much different than a few characters I know, come to think of it...

THIS. This answered it for me. *was struggling muchly with this issue* ^_^

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